What is going on, I have not seen the show since Aug 5 the spoilers are not too detailed. Todd is now Victor Lord Jr??? What a bunch of nonsense.

Irene Clayton - previously believe to have been dead since 1978 - is alive. She gave birth to two identical twin boys: one named Todd, the other named Victor. She gave away Todd to Peter Manning; but raised Victor Jr. (who she claims was 'slow') herself. Desperate for money, she later joined the CIA; then joined another, more nefarious, secret agency. For some reason she needed both Todd and Victor Jr. to help her do her dirty work; they both told her no, so she had Todd kidnapped and then brainwashed Victor Jr. into believing that he was Todd, and unleashed him into Llanview society.

Tony, it's a mess and it barely makes any sense. The short version is that Irene is alive, is an evil bitch, and that TSJTodd is now Victor Jr., while RHTodd is the real Todd. But today showed Victor not accepting the truth, lying to everyone about still being Todd, and planning to take everyone out of town to get away from the truth coming out. The problem is that RHTodd got to Starr first, and therefore she's not falling for Victor's lies and is about to expose him to everyone.

Don't believe it. The evidence shows that TSJ Todd is the real Todd. Look closely and it's there.

Good grief that was the big reveal? Is Tina involved yet? What a stupid, stupid idea just to get rid of TSJ and bring that thing back on the show. I started taping today again I will watch it later. Thank you both for the fill in.

No, Tina hasn't made her return yet. She's been mentioned here and there, but is still MIA.

Just a round up for you Tony:

1. Delphina said that Todd knows what was on the tape. TODD

2. Victor was shown in the flashback talking with the mantra.

3. The flashbacks conveniently do NOT show TSJ Victor post surgery.

4. RH was acting strange during the entire reveal. And at the end, after he asked Viki for a hug, he had this strange look in his eye.

5. They went out of their way to show us Victor getting a scar. There's no point to that if they'd just undo it with a surgery.

Conclusion: RH is playing Victor.

Forgiveness Man wrote:

Just a round up for you Tony:

1. Delphina said that Todd knows what was on the tape. TODD

2. Victor was shown in the flashback talking with the mantra.

3. The flashbacks conveniently do NOT show TSJ Victor post surgery.

4. RH was acting strange during the entire reveal. And at the end, after he asked Viki for a hug, he had this strange look in his eye.

5. They went out of their way to show us Victor getting a scar. There's no point to that if they'd just undo it with a surgery.

Conclusion: RH is playing Victor.

Man that is really screwed up. We know that TSJ is leavin
though so we may never find out if thats the truth or not.

Tony Marino wrote:

Man that is really screwed up. We know that TSJ is leavin
though so we may never find out if thats the truth or not.

I think RH Victor will slowly unravel and eventually be revealed as not Todd. But by then, TSJ Todd, the REAL Todd, will be "dead." It'll be too late and everyone will learn the hard way that betraying Todd has it's price. (of course, Todd Manning does not die, and is alive somewhere. )

OLTL doens't deserve to be in the air, if this is the crap they're writing. SOOOO stupid! RH's return is destroying the show!!!!!!

Tony Marino wrote:

Man that is really screwed up. We know that TSJ is leavin
though so we may never find out if thats the truth or not.

Plus on today's show RH's Todd had this look on his face like he had no idea what Jack was talking about when Jack mentioned Todd tried to give him to the nuns. Todd would of definately would of remembered that little detail..