The Dirty Fucking Hippies Were Right
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Re: Sorry If the Title Offends - But
Well, it doesn't look like this one will generate a lot of response. Most of the posters weren't even born yet.
I'm not going to pretend that I agree with everything sung in this video. I do remember "the hippies" well. But I have to wonder if the song-video author is referring to the Summer of Love Hippies, or those who move on to make meanings of their lives. Because the Summer of Love Hippies themselves were a joke. Their credo was to not work at all, beg for the food and basics they needed, do drugs all day, and make babies in communes. Yes, they didn't want to go to war. Too many of them were too lazy to work for their own lives, let alone go on the battlefront! I remember them in the Bay Area and in coastal towns, where we had our family vacations. I made friends with a few (though I didn't do dope or have anything in common with them), and watched them and many others just "hang out" and do nothing all day. Truly, I don't think these people made a lick o' change to anything in society except provide a gateway to more drugs in the future. You simply cannot take seriously a culture of people spaced on LSD trips. No, I don't think those "dirty hippies were right" (although they did encourage bright colors and influenced the greatestest rock music of all time).
However, most of them eventually learned that life couldn't continue that way and some carved out productive lives, went to school, even formed cool communities. For example, Idylwild in the St. Jacinto Mountians of Calif is primarily a 'hippie community' and it's a darling place. Many went on to pursue lives involved in environmental and natural alternatives. Others learned that they actually liked having lots of money and joined Yuppieville (Abbie Hoffman accused Jerry Rubin of selling out, as their lives went opposite directions).
I think it's the colleges who made more of an impact and had more of a vision.
I did not support the Viet Nam war, either. But I have had quite a lot of ex-vets express to me that, although they grew bitter about being there, wished that they had at least won the war. One of them lost all his limbs in battle, and undoubtedly, winning the war would have justified his tragedy in his mind.
You, yourself, served in 'Nam, right? Do you share the same feelings these men do?
It's a profound video. Glad you shared it.
I'm not going to pretend that I agree with everything sung in this video. I do remember "the hippies" well. But I have to wonder if the song-video author is referring to the Summer of Love Hippies, or those who move on to make meanings of their lives. Because the Summer of Love Hippies themselves were a joke. Their credo was to not work at all, beg for the food and basics they needed, do drugs all day, and make babies in communes. Yes, they didn't want to go to war. Too many of them were too lazy to work for their own lives, let alone go on the battlefront! I remember them in the Bay Area and in coastal towns, where we had our family vacations. I made friends with a few (though I didn't do dope or have anything in common with them), and watched them and many others just "hang out" and do nothing all day. Truly, I don't think these people made a lick o' change to anything in society except provide a gateway to more drugs in the future. You simply cannot take seriously a culture of people spaced on LSD trips. No, I don't think those "dirty hippies were right" (although they did encourage bright colors and influenced the greatestest rock music of all time).
However, most of them eventually learned that life couldn't continue that way and some carved out productive lives, went to school, even formed cool communities. For example, Idylwild in the St. Jacinto Mountians of Calif is primarily a 'hippie community' and it's a darling place. Many went on to pursue lives involved in environmental and natural alternatives. Others learned that they actually liked having lots of money and joined Yuppieville (Abbie Hoffman accused Jerry Rubin of selling out, as their lives went opposite directions).
I think it's the colleges who made more of an impact and had more of a vision.
I did not support the Viet Nam war, either. But I have had quite a lot of ex-vets express to me that, although they grew bitter about being there, wished that they had at least won the war. One of them lost all his limbs in battle, and undoubtedly, winning the war would have justified his tragedy in his mind.
You, yourself, served in 'Nam, right? Do you share the same feelings these men do?
It's a profound video. Glad you shared it.
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I was in the military during the Vietnam era but did not experience the war. (Thank God for the Godless Soviet Union - my job was listening to their radio com while stationed in Turkey).
Hippie is a much misused misnomer. I sometimes use it as a shorthand to describe where I was at. It actually came from the str8 establishment which needed to label the image. The image being the unbathed, worthless, panhandling, free-luv doper.
Aside from trying panhandling once in the French Quarter for the experience of it, I always supported myself by working. I did all the drugs and lived in crash pads and was part of that community of free spirits that were called hippies, but most of us had jobs or were supported by ppl in the communal spirit. It was a great experience and among us were college grads, writers, poets, artists and others who had dropped out of mainstream culture - the usual coffee house types.
We identified with Native American respect for the earth on conservation and knew this planet was finite in how many ppl it could support. Remember ZPG - we knew population growth needed to slow down (We just made 7 billion ppl on the planet this week). So a lot of us who dressed outrageously, grew our hair and beards naturally and appeared unkempt by the crew-cut world we had left were labeled hippies. But you can't judge all of the dissidents by the derelicts among us. We were conscientious and many grew out of the lifestyle but retained many of the values of that era.
Hippie is a much misused misnomer. I sometimes use it as a shorthand to describe where I was at. It actually came from the str8 establishment which needed to label the image. The image being the unbathed, worthless, panhandling, free-luv doper.
Aside from trying panhandling once in the French Quarter for the experience of it, I always supported myself by working. I did all the drugs and lived in crash pads and was part of that community of free spirits that were called hippies, but most of us had jobs or were supported by ppl in the communal spirit. It was a great experience and among us were college grads, writers, poets, artists and others who had dropped out of mainstream culture - the usual coffee house types.
We identified with Native American respect for the earth on conservation and knew this planet was finite in how many ppl it could support. Remember ZPG - we knew population growth needed to slow down (We just made 7 billion ppl on the planet this week). So a lot of us who dressed outrageously, grew our hair and beards naturally and appeared unkempt by the crew-cut world we had left were labeled hippies. But you can't judge all of the dissidents by the derelicts among us. We were conscientious and many grew out of the lifestyle but retained many of the values of that era.
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There is something that "the hippie movement" never gets credit for, even in the video, that made a permanent positive impact in American society.
I accredit them for the changes in parental roles in families. Communal or non-communal, "hippie daddies" were very involved in the caring of their children, even babies, and making better efforts to show love. They planted the seed. I think they deserve the acknowledgment much more so than the women's movement. (Women's movement was more about the financial sharing of child-raising ~ Hippies shared in the development and well-being of the children.)
Hope I'm making sense.
I accredit them for the changes in parental roles in families. Communal or non-communal, "hippie daddies" were very involved in the caring of their children, even babies, and making better efforts to show love. They planted the seed. I think they deserve the acknowledgment much more so than the women's movement. (Women's movement was more about the financial sharing of child-raising ~ Hippies shared in the development and well-being of the children.)
Hope I'm making sense.
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