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| Subject: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:36 pm | |
| http://news.cincinnati.com/usatoday/article/38245215?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p - Quote :
- Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church
2:42 PM, Dec. 31, 2011
WITHAMSVILLE, Ohio (WTW) — Sitting on her mom's lap, the 10-month-old toothless girl with twinkling blue eyes and chubby cheeks sports a wide smile as she gums a jingle bell Christmas tree ornament.
The infant is Christa Dias' greatest gift — and the reason she was fired from teaching jobs at two Cincinnati Catholic schools.
"I've always wanted to have a baby," said Dias as she held her wish-come-true in her arms in their Withamsville home. "I've always known that. That's why I became a teacher, because I love kids.
"I didn't think it would be a problem."
But it was for her employers, Holy Family and St. Lawrence schools in East Price Hill, who fired Dias in October 2010 because the single woman was 5 months pregnant and wanted to discuss maternity leave. She is still unemployed.
She sued in April, accusing the schools of pregnancy discrimination and breach of contract. Her case, filed in the Cincinnati-based U.S. District Court, is on hold while the U.S. Supreme Court decides issues in another, similar case.
Dias was fired for being pregnant not from premarital sex, but as a result of artificial insemination.
For Dias, the case is about what she believes is a rigid religious institution that refuses to adapt to modern life punishing her for celebrating life with birth.
For the schools that hired and fired Dias, the issue is less about her beliefs and more about Dias keeping her legal promise.
"She has a right to her opinion, but she doesn't have a right to violate her (employment) contract," said Archdiocese of Cincinnati spokesman Dan Andriacco.
That contract calls for her to act and comply with Catholic teachings, including not participating in what the church calls the "grave immoral" act of artificial insemination.
Dias, 32, a Michigan native, isn't Catholic but is Christian and attended Notre Dame College, a Catholic school in South Euclid, Ohio, on a volleyball scholarship.
She came to this area in 2007 and began teaching at Holy Family in August 2008 and at St. Lawrence in August 2009. She was the technology coordinator at both schools, with a combined annual salary of $36,000.
Initially, the schools fired Dias for being single and pregnant. But when they were informed that could violate state and federal anti-discrimination laws, they changed the reason for the firing to being pregnant as a result of artificial insemination, which they said violated Catholic teachings — and her employment contract with them.
The schools "have admitted that they had no other reason to terminate Ms. Dias' employment," her attorneys wrote in legal filings in the case.
"I'm disappointed more than anything that I couldn't continue my career because I wanted a child," said Dias, who declined to let her daughter's name be used or face be photographed.
The school's attorneys countered that Dias' choices are why she was fired.
"Above all, this is a case about a contract," the school's lawyers wrote.
Both sides raise compelling legal arguments:
The schools say she is bound by her contract to act as a Catholic. "This is not the classic pregnancy discrimination case in which pretexts must be evaluated and discriminatory intent must be divined," the school's attorneys wrote.
Dias counters that contract is invalid because it isn't applied equally to men or enforced on them. Her physical state made it obvious she was pregnant, but that's not so for men who participate in artificial insemination, she said. "It's a double standard. I'm suing so they can't do this to any more women."
The schools' lawyers say any argument other than violation of her contract "will unavoidably put (Catholic) doctrine itself on trial," which is barred by the U.S. Constitution that gives Americans the right to exercise their religion of choice.
Dias notes current law allows her to sue because the majority of her work as technology teacher at the two schools has nothing to do with religion.
The legal issues, Dias insists, are a way for the schools and the church to avoid what she believes is her right.
Dias was fired by the Rev. James Kiffmeyer, who was suspended in 2002 after being accused of sexual misconduct with two male students at Fenwick High School, where Kiffmeyer was a teacher.
There was no criminal investigation because the men were 18 and adults at the time of the incidents in 1986 and 1990. The Archdiocese made a financial settlement with one accuser. The Vatican reviewed the cases but handed down no discipline.
Kiffmeyer, who denied the allegations, was reinstated in 2006 and then became pastor at Holy Family church.
"I would think Father Kiffmeyer would be more empathetic because of the judgment that he's received from his past," Dias said.
The archdiocese fought Dias' attempt to collect unemployment benefits.
Despite the fight, Dias is convinced she made the right decision.
"She's such a gift," Dias said of her daughter. "I wouldn't have it any other way."
"I am very happy. She's an amazing gift from God. She's amazing and wonderful. I would do it all over again for her." | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:45 pm | |
| This is a tough case because she is a role model, both secularly and religiously for children of catholics----catholics who are paying her salary to teach their children to live morally.
She could have taken leave for the year so as not to make it obvious that she was pregnant. It is nice that she is happy and has her baby, but she signed a contract making her a moral influence on kids. | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:16 pm | |
| I have to agree with the post above.
Also, I don't know what legal recourse she has, but she knew damn well what the restrictions are and decided to push it to the limit. I may not necessarily like the church's rigidity but have litte sympathy for her.
This reminds me of people who move into HOA-dominated housing then expect the rules to apply to everyone else but themselves. | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:03 pm | |
| That's a shame, but isn't at all surprising. | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:21 pm | |
| I can't say I see the church's problem with artificial insemination, it's not like she was having the sinful filthy sex like all its priests do. | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:37 pm | |
| - Supernova wrote:
- I can't say I see the church's problem with artificial insemination, it's not like she was having the sinful filthy sex like all its priests do.
All it's priests? The extreme vast majority of priests don't have any sex. (And the burden of proof comes on those saying otherwise to prove it. A few isolate creeps that make up less than a percentage of the priests, so those articles won't prove anything.) As for IVF, you don't have to understand the reasons. The Church has a right to expect it's teachers to not live lives contrary to Church teaching. If you don't like what the Church teaches, then you've essentially already left. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not (which means explaining it to you is futile). They shouldn't be bound to have teachers on staff who live lives contrary to Church teaching. The lady knows the Church's teachings. There's no legal standing for her. | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:13 pm | |
| If the church is saying it's wrong it has to have a reason. Do we REALLY believe all people who are within the church got married before having kids or sex and that the only parents in the church are married? | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:42 am | |
| Sounds to me that this church is overstepping its bounds bigtime. | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:12 am | |
| - Supernova wrote:
- I can't say I see the church's problem with artificial insemination.
The church doesnt believe in doctors creating life because then they are playing God. As for your other comments, the church is very specific on what it believes. Once you do/dont do things, then you are forbidden to take communion which is a sacrement that brings you closer to God. Does the church know people have premarital sex---yes. Does it promote it--NO! Even getting married in a civil ceremony is not recognized by the church, so my sister needed to have her marriage blessed before her kids could be baptized. The point is, as FM pointed out, the church has a right to dictate its policies without being questioned... you believe or you do not. You follow or you sin against God and the church. And you suffer the consequences. Her consequence should be termination | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:47 am | |
| - wants2laugh wrote:
The church doesnt believe in doctors creating life because then they are playing God.
As for your other comments, the church is very specific on what it believes. Once you do/dont do things, then you are forbidden to take communion which is a sacrement that brings you closer to God.
Does the church know people have premarital sex---yes. Does it promote it--NO! Even getting married in a civil ceremony is not recognized by the church, so my sister needed to have her marriage blessed before her kids could be baptized.
The point is, as FM pointed out, the church has a right to dictate its policies without being questioned... you believe or you do not. You follow or you sin against God and the church. And you suffer the consequences. Her consequence should be termination Depending on what you do, only against the church. Think about it, if Catholics hate doctors who create life via artificial insemination, why don't they shun doctors completely? After all if they save people's lives they're obviously fighting against when God's deciding it's time for them to come home but I'll bet a lot of Catholics still like doctors and what more WANT them when possible to do the same thing with them. | |
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| Subject: Re: 'Ohio mom says baby worth legal fight with church' Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:09 pm | |
| I guess the Virgin Mary would have got canned too. | |
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