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    German man who had four children with his sister loses European Court fight claiming incest conviction breached his human rights

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    News German man who had four children with his sister loses European Court fight claiming incest conviction breached his human rights

    Post by Chris Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:35 am

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128800/European-Court-rules-incest-conviction-did-breach-German-couples-human-rights.html

    German man who had four children with his sister loses European Court fight claiming incest conviction breached his human rights
    By Lyle Brennan
    PUBLISHED: 09:28 EST, 12 April 2012 | UPDATED: 13:53 EST, 12 April 2012


    A German man who fathered four children with his sister - and then claimed an incest conviction breached his human rights - has lost his European court case.

    Patrick Stuebing and Susan Karolewski argued they had rights to privacy and family life, which they say were violated when German courts jailed Steubing for 14 months in 2005.

    The European Court of Human Rights, in Strasbourg, France, ruled Germany was entitled to ban incest.




    German man who had four children with his sister loses European Court fight claiming incest conviction breached his human rights Article-0-067224920000044D-670_634x372
    Patrick Stuebing and Susan Karolewski, the
    German brother and sister who grew up apart, were reunited and then fell
    in love and had four children. Steubing was convicted of incest in 2005


    The case led to calls for Germany to join countries such as France, Turkey, Japan and Brazil in legalising sex between relatives.

    Germany, as with most of the 47 Council of Europe member states, bans consensual sexual acts between adult siblings, the ECHR said. It also said there was not enough evidence to suggest a possible trend of decriminalisation of such acts.

    The ECHR said the German courts did not convict Karolewski, who is seven years younger than Stuebing, because she has a personality disorder and was 'only partially liable' for her actions.

    Stuebing, from Leipzig, was adopted as a child and did not meet his sister until he tracked down his natural family in his 20s.

    Born in 1976, he was placed in a children's home aged three and went to live with a foster family in Potsdam, near Berlin, four years later.

    It was not until his biological mother died in 2000 that he made contact with his blood relatives and developed an 'intensified' relationship with his sister in December that year.

    Stuebing and Karolewski, who claim their love is not abnormal, started having sex a month later and lived together for several years.

    The couple went on to have four children between 2001 and 2005 - three of them now live in care and two are disabled.

    The main basis for Stuebing's conviction, the ECHR said, was 'the protection of marriage and the family' because the couple's behaviour blurred family roles.

    It also noted 'the risk of significant damage' to children born of incest, which is banned partly because of the higher likelihood of disability.
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    News Re: German man who had four children with his sister loses European Court fight claiming incest conviction breached his human rights

    Post by Nystyle709 Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:25 am

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    News Re: German man who had four children with his sister loses European Court fight claiming incest conviction breached his human rights

    Post by GrayWolf Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:39 pm

    Why did he have to be German? face palm
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    Post by Alan Smithee Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:40 pm

    I guess the folks who want to define marriage as being between a man and women have to add a footnote or something.
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    Post by RedBedroom Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:03 pm

    How the heck could anyone allow themselves to fall in love with a sibling? I don't care when they met! That's just wrong.
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    Post by Cheaps Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:49 am

    German man who had four children with his sister loses European Court fight claiming incest conviction breached his human rights Wendy-blank-stare-o
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    Post by Tony Marino Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:34 am

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