HomeDo you think that women should be allowed to work in mens prisions? I no then why?
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I think anyone who can handle the job should be able to work in them. It certainly requires some training, discipline & assistance in some form to keep everything under control.
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Maybe but after that story last year about the female guard who was killed by the inmates, I think because they could actually reach through the bars and grab her, either they need to wire those doors or they need to have more than one guard on duty in an area at a time.
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First off, I believe in equality in hiring - but only if the person is capable of doing the job. Sometimes male upper body strength is appreciated where lifting and physical work is involved. When I was a nursing assistant (only about 10% of nursing has been male) I was told how much they would appreciate me on the Ortho Unit (crippled ppl who needed lots of transfer from bed to chairs and walking). Now the majority of nurses did this work, but they were glad to have a guy to assist.
The other factor, besides physical strength is attitude. This is where I have had a problem over the years with women going into once male dominated jobs like construction and prison guards. Any woman going into such work should appreciate and accept that men have a different outlook and ethos.
Used to be that prisons were same gender - men watched the men and women watched the women. That way men would not be leering at the prisoners showering (Just the lesbo guards) and tho women are supposedly not into such leering (yeah, right) men resent that forced invasion of their privacy. Unfortunately, when this was brot to court by San Quentin prisoners in 1986, it was ruled that "male prisoners' right to privacy is not violated by women guards' conducting pat-down searches or witnessing them taking showers..."
Then in the '90s it was the problem with female sports reporters in the locker rooms. Seems the guys would go in and get the scoop until it was ruled that women reporters get equal access. Well, the jocks who didn't like it reacted as male jocks would and that caused a whole new focus on stories. IDK how it was resolved - logically locker room interviews should have been scrapped altogether. Only a nudist would feel comfortable carrying on conversation in mixed company nude. In 1997, Peyton Manning was playing around mooning in the training room and a female trainer sued and won a $300K settlement. This is the kind of problem caused by hiring females in once male-only professions and there should be some kind of disclaimer in the contract that they will be working with men. DUH!
When I was a kid, my dad had a workshop in the basement. He was the typical blue-collar kinda guy and I remember a pic of Marilyn Monroe (the famous first Playmate pic that was a calendar before Hugh Hefner got her). This was the norm with men since - forever. It was even tolerated in the military in the '60s.
So, along comes a woman welder and gets hired in Jacksonville FL. in 1991. Does she fit in? No, she took offence at the pinups in the shop and sued for sexual harassment. Now I know not to put pinups in my office, but some venues, which were formerly all male you almost expect them. In fact companies that do business with these all-male professions have sent promo calendars with pinups on them for decades. But not any more.
So, while I believe women should not be barred from any profession, I think it should be understood that they are working with mostly men and should defer to male sentiments or find a nice job as a secretary in a lily-white office somewhere.
BTW, it ain't only women who get put upon. When I got a job at an oil rig in Mississippi, I had to endure all the new-guy hazing that the good ol boys also endured. IDK if any woman would work on an oil rig in MS, sex role assignment is pretty engrained in that culture but I think there would be a problem if the guys held her down took her pants off and smeared her pubes with 'pipe dope' (a greasy joint lube that is impervious to heat, water & detergent).
I first started resenting women in the once-male workplace as a young man in the Air Force in my overseas station. We were all about Top Secrets & Need To Know in AF Security. As the new guy on the night shift I was sent around with the EMHO report to various stations to be signed off by each person. Well, this was the initiation so everyone knew who the new guy was and it was the Early Morning Hard On report that I was delivering. That tradition stopped when we got a new shift leader - a female lieutenant.
BTW, I am stuck inside this rainy day - just had time to do this long reply which few will read.
The other factor, besides physical strength is attitude. This is where I have had a problem over the years with women going into once male dominated jobs like construction and prison guards. Any woman going into such work should appreciate and accept that men have a different outlook and ethos.
Used to be that prisons were same gender - men watched the men and women watched the women. That way men would not be leering at the prisoners showering (Just the lesbo guards) and tho women are supposedly not into such leering (yeah, right) men resent that forced invasion of their privacy. Unfortunately, when this was brot to court by San Quentin prisoners in 1986, it was ruled that "male prisoners' right to privacy is not violated by women guards' conducting pat-down searches or witnessing them taking showers..."
Then in the '90s it was the problem with female sports reporters in the locker rooms. Seems the guys would go in and get the scoop until it was ruled that women reporters get equal access. Well, the jocks who didn't like it reacted as male jocks would and that caused a whole new focus on stories. IDK how it was resolved - logically locker room interviews should have been scrapped altogether. Only a nudist would feel comfortable carrying on conversation in mixed company nude. In 1997, Peyton Manning was playing around mooning in the training room and a female trainer sued and won a $300K settlement. This is the kind of problem caused by hiring females in once male-only professions and there should be some kind of disclaimer in the contract that they will be working with men. DUH!
When I was a kid, my dad had a workshop in the basement. He was the typical blue-collar kinda guy and I remember a pic of Marilyn Monroe (the famous first Playmate pic that was a calendar before Hugh Hefner got her). This was the norm with men since - forever. It was even tolerated in the military in the '60s.
So, along comes a woman welder and gets hired in Jacksonville FL. in 1991. Does she fit in? No, she took offence at the pinups in the shop and sued for sexual harassment. Now I know not to put pinups in my office, but some venues, which were formerly all male you almost expect them. In fact companies that do business with these all-male professions have sent promo calendars with pinups on them for decades. But not any more.
So, while I believe women should not be barred from any profession, I think it should be understood that they are working with mostly men and should defer to male sentiments or find a nice job as a secretary in a lily-white office somewhere.
BTW, it ain't only women who get put upon. When I got a job at an oil rig in Mississippi, I had to endure all the new-guy hazing that the good ol boys also endured. IDK if any woman would work on an oil rig in MS, sex role assignment is pretty engrained in that culture but I think there would be a problem if the guys held her down took her pants off and smeared her pubes with 'pipe dope' (a greasy joint lube that is impervious to heat, water & detergent).
I first started resenting women in the once-male workplace as a young man in the Air Force in my overseas station. We were all about Top Secrets & Need To Know in AF Security. As the new guy on the night shift I was sent around with the EMHO report to various stations to be signed off by each person. Well, this was the initiation so everyone knew who the new guy was and it was the Early Morning Hard On report that I was delivering. That tradition stopped when we got a new shift leader - a female lieutenant.
BTW, I am stuck inside this rainy day - just had time to do this long reply which few will read.
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Shale wrote:
BTW, it ain't only women who get put upon. When I got a job at an oil rig in Mississippi, I had to endure all the new-guy hazing that the good ol boys also endured. IDK if any woman would work on an oil rig in MS, sex role assignment is pretty engrained in that culture but I think there would be a problem if the guys held her down took her pants off and smeared her pubes with 'pipe dope' (a greasy joint lube that is impervious to heat, water & detergent).
Yeah, think I'd have to scratch them off my list for that one lol
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Yeah, and they already do. It's a job.
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well.. my dad was a corrections officer. and i must say that shale makes a point as to whether someone can do the job. however, women may be more emotional and it might make it more difficult to handle threats. My father was once threatened that an inmate would send a friend to "visit" us kids. My mother tells the story today and was really upset about it, but my father said not to worry that he knew how to handle it. I cant imagine having an inmate telling me he would come rape my kids!
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