HomeUnder the guise of trying to prevent (non-existent) voter fraud, GOP authorities in many states have rammed through requirements that voters must have state issued ID's in order to vote. Not surprisingly this most often works to disenfranchise the class of people that would support the Democrats and Pres. Obama. How real of a threat do you think it is that the Republicans could actually steal this election?
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Anyone else worried about the Republican attempts at voter supression?
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by Shale Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:35 pm
Yes, it is going on in Florida. Hopefully the federal lawsuit prevails.
See, this is Dixie where black voters have historically been suppressed, so in the civil rights uprising in the '60s the Feds took over the polling practices and to this day much of the counties in the South cannot make changes to their voting practices without Fed approval.
Many polling authorities are ignoring the state law but it is hit or miss whether black and elderly voters are disenfranchised.
This despicable act alone should make ppl suspicious of Repugnicans.
See, this is Dixie where black voters have historically been suppressed, so in the civil rights uprising in the '60s the Feds took over the polling practices and to this day much of the counties in the South cannot make changes to their voting practices without Fed approval.
Many polling authorities are ignoring the state law but it is hit or miss whether black and elderly voters are disenfranchised.
This despicable act alone should make ppl suspicious of Repugnicans.
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by Forgiveness Man Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:38 pm
I only worry about actual threats, so no.
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by captainbryce Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:39 pm
Well of course it's a 'threat' since it can ultimately effect the outcome of the election. But this is hardly the "new" development everyone is acting like it is. They have been doing this for YEARS now! The last three Presidential elections have seen the same voter suppression take place. And back then it was also under the guise of "preventing voter fraud" (of which there is still ZERO evidence of).Alan Smithee wrote:Under the guise of trying to prevent (non-existent) voter fraud, GOP authorities in many states have rammed through requirements that voters must have state issued ID's in order to vote. Not surprisingly this most often works to disenfranchise the class of people that would support the Democrats and Pres. Obama. How real of a threat do you think it is that the Republicans could actually steal this election?
But I don't "worry" about such things because there is really nothing that we can do about it. Most republicans WANT voter suppression because it helps their candidates get elected. So there is no way that they are going to do anything to stop it. And even most democrats don't care enough to actually do anything about it. Therefore, nothing is going to change. The best thing that you can do is to make sure that YOU (as an individual) have all the credentials you need and make every effort to have your voice heard. If people have a strong enough desire to vote, they WILL make it happen (somehow or another). And since it's common knowledge that attempts at voter suppression are being made now, you have all this time to counteract that. Educate yourself on the candidates, save up your money, make sure you have valid ID, get everything double checked and show up in line early. That's pretty much all anyone can do.
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by Alan Smithee Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:51 pm
The best thing that you can do is to make sure that YOU (as an individual) have all the credentials you need and make every effort to have your voice heard.
But what if these new laws make it harder for you to do that?
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by Shale Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:52 pm
Many elderly ppl can't easily get the proper ID by todays standards (unless they are literally 'grandfathered' in) Home births, burnt courthouses, birth certificates just don't exist for some ppl and that is one of the requirements. We deal with it with our older clients and get them their ID because one of our workers has a friendly relationship with one driver license person who understands. But, that is an exception not the rule.
It is all about the numbers. Of course the educated, active democrats & independents who vote against Repugnicans will be registered. That would be the 300 of us who showed up to protest going to war with Iraq in 2003. You see how effective we were.
So, the larger base of elderly, black and lower income ppl who can't pay or take off from work to get a certified copy of their birth certificate become disenfranchised. That is why these crooks win at this politics game. That is how it was done routinely in Jim Crow South until the Feds intervened. But now the Repugnican pigs have found a new angle for cheating. BASTARDS!
BTW, outside of the ppl I have on my ignore list, is there anyone here who will admit to being a member of the Repugnican party. And no, I am not a Democrat - been Independent for years, was once a member of Socialist Workers Party.
It is all about the numbers. Of course the educated, active democrats & independents who vote against Repugnicans will be registered. That would be the 300 of us who showed up to protest going to war with Iraq in 2003. You see how effective we were.
So, the larger base of elderly, black and lower income ppl who can't pay or take off from work to get a certified copy of their birth certificate become disenfranchised. That is why these crooks win at this politics game. That is how it was done routinely in Jim Crow South until the Feds intervened. But now the Repugnican pigs have found a new angle for cheating. BASTARDS!
BTW, outside of the ppl I have on my ignore list, is there anyone here who will admit to being a member of the Repugnican party. And no, I am not a Democrat - been Independent for years, was once a member of Socialist Workers Party.
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by Alan Smithee Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:01 pm
Nah, no real threat.
“Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to Win the state of Pennsylvania. Done.”
-Rep. Mike Turzai (R-Allegheny)
“Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to Win the state of Pennsylvania. Done.”
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by Nystyle709 Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:04 pm
I'm worried somewhat because that state issued I.D. is nonsense, but in reality.....what's the most they can do? If you are properly registered, I don't see how anything can stop you from voting. I'm more worried about the the technical bullshit such as a problems with the polls or voters not fully understanding how to properly vote, faulty voter machines, etc.
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by Supernova Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:38 pm
Nystyle709 wrote:I'm worried somewhat because that state issued I.D. is nonsense, but in reality.....what's the most they can do? If you are properly registered, I don't see how anything can stop you from voting. I'm more worried about the the technical bullshit such as a problems with the polls or voters not fully understanding how to properly vote, faulty voter machines, etc.
Because they can say without a photo ID how can they be sure you are who you say you are just because you have a card with your name on it?
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by Nystyle709 Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:50 pm
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Because they can say without a photo ID how can they be sure you are who you say you are just because you have a card with your name on it?
Who in their right mind would go vote without an I.D? Everywhere makes you show I.D. to vote. The only problem I see is if they won't accept your passport or other forms of identification that clearly has your name and photo on it. A requirement that is has to be state issued (and I'm assuming the state where you are voting) is nonsense. A lot of people carry licenses or other I.D's from other states, especially college kids. It shouldn't have to be state issued. You should just have photo I.D.
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by Supernova Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:00 pm
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Who in their right mind would go vote without an I.D? Everywhere makes you show I.D. to vote. The only problem I see is if they won't accept your passport or other forms of identification that clearly has your name and photo on it. A requirement that is has to be state issued (and I'm assuming the state where you are voting) is nonsense. A lot of people carry licenses or other I.D's from other states, especially college kids. It shouldn't have to be state issued. You should just have photo I.D.
BUT, a lot of people do NOT have photo I.D. because until now it wasn't necessary to have it to vote, so a lot of them got by with other forms of I.D. Now they all have to go and get photo ID cards just so they can do what they've been doing every 4 years for who knows how long.
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by Alan Smithee Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:27 am
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Who in their right mind would go vote without an I.D? Everywhere makes you show I.D. to vote. The only problem I see is if they won't accept your passport or other forms of identification that clearly has your name and photo on it. A requirement that is has to be state issued (and I'm assuming the state where you are voting) is nonsense. A lot of people carry licenses or other I.D's from other states, especially college kids. It shouldn't have to be state issued. You should just have photo I.D.
Not where I've voted
I don't think I've ever missed voting in at least one election since 1974 and I've never been asked for ID, photo or otherwise. Here's a fucked up tidbit. In Pennsylvania (see the quote I posted above) they have a "Voter Hall of Fame". The state so honors people who have voted in 50 straight years. There's data to show that about a quarter of those people are now ineligible to vote under the new law.but in reality.....what's the most they can do? If you are properly registered, I don't see how anything can stop you from voting.
They can not let you in the voting booth! And I imagine when some people get belligerent about being denied, they'll be arrested as a disorderly person (or assault if they take a swing at a poll worker.)
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by Nystyle709 Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:42 am
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BUT, a lot of people do NOT have photo I.D. because until now it wasn't necessary to have it to vote, so a lot of them got by with other forms of I.D.
If you're an adult without any form of photo identification, in this day and age, then something is wrong.
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by Suzi Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:46 am
I'm 72 years old and I do not drive it is only in the past 6 or 7 years that I have had picture ID. I finally forked over the bucks to get provincial ID when we wanted to go to the US on vacation. I honestly never needed picture ID, until that recently. And I still have had to show it only about 3 times.Nystyle709 wrote:
Who in their right mind would go vote without an I.D? Everywhere makes you show I.D. to vote. The only problem I see is if they won't accept your passport or other forms of identification that clearly has your name and photo on it. A requirement that is has to be state issued (and I'm assuming the state where you are voting) is nonsense. A lot of people carry licenses or other I.D's from other states, especially college kids. It shouldn't have to be state issued. You should just have photo I.D.
If the republicans steal this election it won't be the first time.
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by Nystyle709 Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:48 am
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Not where I've votedI don't think I've ever missed voting in at least one election since 1974 and I've never been asked for ID, photo or otherwise.
Interesting. When I go vote, they keep a log of all the names of the people who are supposed to vote in several districts in that particular voting site. They find my name, locate my district, and then asked for my I.D. to make sure I'm actually that person, then I sign off next to my name. Thought they did this everywhere.
They can not let you in the voting booth! And I imagine when some people get belligerent about being denied, they'll be arrested as a disorderly person (or assault if they take a swing at a poll worker.)
If there isn't a law in place that allows them to bar you from the voting booth, like the ones they are trying to push now, then the poll workers would be breaking the law. And I'm not saying someone should have to, but if they were THAT concerned about not being able to vote, then I would send an absentee ballot.
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by Nystyle709 Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:08 am
Suzi wrote:
I'm 72 years old and I do not drive it is only in the past 6 or 7 years that I have had picture ID. I finally forked over the bucks to get provincial ID when we wanted to go to the US on vacation. I honestly never needed picture ID, until that recently. And I still have had to show it only about 3 times.
If the republicans steal this election it won't be the first time.
I'm sorry....I live in NYC....it's just asinine to me to be a grown adult and you walk around with no form of photo identification.
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by Supernova Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:16 am
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I'm sorry....I live in NYC....it's just asinine to me to be a grown adult and you walk around with no form of photo identification.
Yeah well hard as it is to believe, the rest of the country is NOT New York City.
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by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:20 am
Not seeing many legitimate reasons why adults in today's day and age wouldn't carry a valid photo ID of some sort.
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Forgiveness Man wrote:Not seeing many legitimate reasons why adults in today's day and age wouldn't carry a valid photo ID of some sort.
Well the fact that there is such an outrage over this new law must say there are damn plenty of them that don't, mustn't there? If everybody and his brother HAD photo ID, nobody would care about the new law. My mother doesn't, meaning unless she gets one in the next three months, she will not be able to vote in the next election, and she's been voting since she was 18.
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by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:28 am
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Well the fact that there is such an outrage over this new law must say there are damn plenty of them that don't, mustn't there? If everybody and his brother HAD photo ID, nobody would care about the new law. My mother doesn't, meaning unless she gets one in the next three months, she will not be able to vote in the next election, and she's been voting since she was 18.
I said LEGITIMATE reasons. I suspect that many of the reasons why people don't carry photo IDs are NOT legitimate. And heck, since they are offering to help those who don't have them get them for free, I am seeing even LESS reason for it. Sorry, but if we have to prove who the heck we are to do just about anything anymore, I am not seeing why asking people to prove who they are when they come to vote is really all that horrible.
And people are outraged because this adds another obstacle to voter fraud.
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I said LEGITIMATE reasons. I suspect that many of the reasons why people don't carry photo IDs are NOT legitimate. And heck, since they are offering to help those who don't have them get them for free, I am seeing even LESS reason for it. Sorry, but if we have to prove who the heck we are to do just about anything anymore, I am not seeing why asking people to prove who they are when they come to vote is really all that horrible.
And people are outraged because this adds another obstacle to voter fraud.
Oh please do enlighten us just HOW MUCH voter fraud is there? Because for all they make a big deal of it, nobody I know has ever heard of an actual case occurring. ALSO, the thing about this that really PISSES me off is that there was NO official announcement. It was NOT on the news: new law passed today: all voters must show photo ID, it was not in the newspaper headlines, it was NOT on the radio. The ONLY way we found out about it was because somebody wrote a letter to the editor about it and THEN I saw a tiny 'free, take one' sign about the information of this new law at the library. They tried to sneak it in under the radar so we WOULDN'T know in time to get photo ID if we didn't already have it because there was no official announcement made about it WHEN it happened.
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by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:39 am
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Oh please do enlighten us just HOW MUCH voter fraud is there? Because for all they make a big deal of it, nobody I know has ever heard of an actual case occurring. ALSO, the thing about this that really PISSES me off is that there was NO official announcement. It was NOT on the news: new law passed today: all voters must show photo ID, it was not in the newspaper headlines, it was NOT on the radio. The ONLY way we found out about it was because somebody wrote a letter to the editor about it and THEN I saw a tiny 'free, take one' sign about the information of this new law at the library. They tried to sneak it in under the radar so we WOULDN'T know in time to get photo ID if we didn't already have it because there was no official announcement made about it WHEN it happened.
I am not saying that there is much. But frankly, the fact that there IS so much resistance to this makes me question if it's not a lot more common than people want to believe. Unless you have religious oppositions to photographs, I am not seeing any valid reasons to oppose showing your photo ID to cast a vote. The more people try to give them, the more I seem to think that the bill is a decent idea.
So if you don't believe voter fraud is a problem, then neither will I be swayed that voter suppression is a problem.
I remember an announcement. Frankly, the news reports everything else so if they didn't report it, that's on THEM. Maybe they didn't report it on purpose. IDK. The media's the media. But I heard the announcement. I've known about it here for awhile and I don't read newspapers, don't watch much TV news, and hate talk radio. Plus, the left has been bitching about it a lot. People have had plenty of opportunity, IMO, to get their ID. Like I said, I'm still waiting for some valid oppositions to this. I've yet to hear even one.
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by Supernova Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:45 am
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I am not saying that there is much. But frankly, the fact that there IS so much resistance to this makes me question if it's not a lot more common than people want to believe. Unless you have religious oppositions to photographs, I am not seeing any valid reasons to oppose showing your photo ID to cast a vote. The more people try to give them, the more I seem to think that the bill is a decent idea.
The only time I have to show my picture for anything is when I buy champagne or somebody new doesn't recognize me when I get lottery tickets. This is to confirm my age, not who I am. Last election it was good enough for them to accept my name on my ballot, and it was good enough for them to take my mother's name on her ballot with no picture, no fraud there, but now they need a picture to prove she is who she is even though she is who she has been for 62 years. She doesn't drive, she has no passport because she never travels anywhere, for over 25 years she has had NO need for any form of photo ID, now all of a sudden she needs it just to get a ballot in the mail, what sense does that make?
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by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:49 am
Well, you have a photo ID then? lol I don't think anybody is saying that your mother is committing fraud. But sometimes we gotta do things we don't like because of others. Again, most people in this country have a photo ID, I think. The few that don't are able to get them. Yes, it's a temporary added obstacle. But who the hell cares? It seems to me that people are just trying to contrive excuses to whine about something that they really have no leg to stand on in opposition of.
As I said before, I only worry about legitimate things. This leading to voter suppression is not a legitimate worry, so I don't worry about it.
As I said before, I only worry about legitimate things. This leading to voter suppression is not a legitimate worry, so I don't worry about it.
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by captainbryce Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:07 pm
Because, NOT EVERYONE HAS ONE, nor will everyone be able to get one in time if they don't know they have to have it. Have you not been following the conversation? Not everyone can afford cable, which means that some folks don't have "Fox News" (or wherever it was you magically heard the announcement that a voter fraud law was passed).Forgiveness Man wrote:Unless you have religious oppositions to photographs, I am not seeing any valid reasons to oppose showing your photo ID to cast a vote.
Do you have any idea just how RIDICULOUS this argument sounds even for you? That your potential for being convinced of something in which there is a clear history of evidence to support (voter suppression) rests solely on everyone else's inability to be convinced of something for which there is ZERO evidence of (voter fraud)? Really FM, REALLY?Forgiveness Man wrote:So if you don't believe voter fraud is a problem, then neither will I be swayed that voter suppression is a problem.
Actually, you've heard several people make the same valid opposition on this board. You have yet to provide a counter argument to ANY of them, which suggests that you have none and reinforces the legitimacy of the complaint. "I have a valid ID, therefore everyone else should have one too." "I heard about the law, therefore everyone else should have heard about it too." Sorry, those are not a valid arguments! You've actually invalidated the legitimacy of your position by claiming that since other people don't believe in voter fraud, that you don't believe in voter suppression (which is such an asinine position for anyone to take that's its impossible to take seriously).Forgiveness Man wrote:Like I said, I'm still waiting for some valid oppositions to this. I've yet to hear even one.
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