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Breast Cancer

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Breast Cancer

by wants2laugh Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:42 pm

Supernova's discussion of energy drinks and the FDA approval discussion reminded me of a movie i once saw called Pink Ribbons Inc.

It stated that we still do not know the cause of breast cancer, and only 20% of the women who get it are in the "risk factor" category... which lead some scientists to think that it is environmental. CeCe mentioned that some ppl will put anything in their bodies, expecting the FDA to do something about it if it was bad. The same goes for ON the body.

Cosmetics, deodorants, hair products etc all sink into our skin without any regulation from the FDA. They said that on average, women use 12 products a day while men only use 4. It discussed a whole list of products like nail polish which has formaldahyde, some sprays which contain lead... etc.

There is a website that lists dangerous products by Environmental Working Group called skin deep. Scary stuff.

I'm not sure it is from products, but I do believe there is something in my workplace--- TOO many ppl there died from cancers every year. Its crazy.. and the breast cancer women.. I think i can name about 15 off the top of my head.

The movie also made some great points about the pink ribbons campaign too. The money being raised is not centralized, so the same tests on the same type of patients is being conducted over and over, rather than an organized effort to test all racial groups/age groups.

http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/

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Re: Breast Cancer

by Shale Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:51 pm

wants2laugh wrote:...Cosmetics, deodorants, hair products etc all sink into our skin without any regulation from the FDA. They said that on average, women use 12 products a day while men only use 4.

I use 3 - Alcohol, Baking Soda and Coconut Oil Soap.

I keep telling ppl deodorants go counter to nature. You can get along without it, just splash rubbing alcohol in your pits. You will still sweat but the odor won't happen for a day. I have been using that for decades, work in an office with women and have had no complaints about pit odor.

It works. But media has brainwashed almost everyone into buying it by rote because of the marketing lies they are told constantly.

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Re: Breast Cancer

by Supernova Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:13 pm

Shale wrote:

I use 3 - Alcohol, Baking Soda and Coconut Oil Soap.

I keep telling ppl deodorants go counter to nature. You can get along without it, just splash rubbing alcohol in your pits. You will still sweat but the odor won't happen for a day. I have been using that for decades, work in an office with women and have had no complaints about pit odor.

It works. But media has brainwashed almost everyone into buying it by rote because of the marketing lies they are told constantly.

I tried the alcohol, it quit working after a couple of days.

As it stands, I don't use any makeup, any hair products, very little perfume, and mainly just use soap, deodorant and lotion for rough/dry/cracked skin.

Now, this reminds me of something that Dirk Benedict pointed out in his book Confessions of a Kamikaze Cowboy, think of all the millions and millions and millions of dollars, all the fundraisers, all the everything to raise money to fight cancer. By now it's probably somewhere in the multi-trillions, and they're STILL no closer now than they were 30 years ago to ending cancer. We know that a cure WAS found, but because it wasn't going to make anybody rich, it was never put on the shelves, why sell a cure for $30 a bottle when you can drain people of all their tens of thousands of life savings in radiation and chemo, which is just as likely to kill you? As was certainly the case with my grandfather, the giant tumor in his stomach didn't kill him, the 'treatment' did.

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Re: Breast Cancer

by Hyacinth Girl Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:17 pm

There's a whole bunch of things that need to come together, just right, to allow for cancer to form. One big one is genetic predisposition. Example: my own daughter who was born with a retinoblastoma in her left eye. Those only form if genetically you don't "code" for the protein that prevents the expression of this form of cancer. It takes a "hit" from each parent to cause this, and in our case, hit #1 came from my husband, who has the same genetic setup as my daughter for this, and had a brother that died of it some 50 years ago, and myself in the form of probably a defect somewhere in my own genes. Which would also probably explain my own breast cancer, in recent years.

There have been 8 of us in the lab where I work, that have had breast cancer, and while we can't prove it, I feel strongly that because of whatever genetic set-up we all have, plus each of us worked on this one, same machine during a time period where there were fewer regulations for labs and lab supplies. This chemistry analyzer we used to have, had an internal laser barcode reader, but it was aimed such that the laser was directed out of the machine and right at your chest. . .

All 8 of us used this machine daily, so I don't think there's any coincidence there, but regardless, even if a cure is found, it won't be released anytime soon--lots of doctors will be out of jobs and the pharmaceutical companies will nosedive if all the chemo drugs aren't needed anymore. It all comes down to the almighty dollar.

I was just in Boston last Friday for my annual scans and appointments, and the breast surgeon told me that she's perfected the nipple-sparing procedure that she did on me (which was basically, you get to keep that part during a mastectomy instead of the normal cutting it off), and since she did mine, she's done 630 of them--and that's only in 3 years!

Way too much of that going around. . .

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Re: Breast Cancer

by Shale Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:13 pm

Supernova wrote:I tried the alcohol, it quit working after a couple of days. ...

You splashed it on right after bathing AND before going to work each day?

It is not long lasting like the harsher chemicals. Good for only 12 hours, 24 max before the bacteria (part of the odor causing eco-system) reestablishes.

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Re: Breast Cancer

by CaffeinePlease Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:34 pm

wants2laugh wrote:Supernova's discussion of energy drinks and the FDA approval discussion reminded me of a movie i once saw called Pink Ribbons Inc.

It stated that we still do not know the cause of breast cancer, and only 20% of the women who get it are in the "risk factor" category... which lead some scientists to think that it is environmental. CeCe mentioned that some ppl will put anything in their bodies, expecting the FDA to do something about it if it was bad. The same goes for ON the body.

Cosmetics, deodorants, hair products etc all sink into our skin without any regulation from the FDA. They said that on average, women use 12 products a day while men only use 4. It discussed a whole list of products like nail polish which has formaldahyde, some sprays which contain lead... etc.

There is a website that lists dangerous products by Environmental Working Group called skin deep. Scary stuff.

I'm not sure it is from products, but I do believe there is something in my workplace--- TOO many ppl there died from cancers every year. Its crazy.. and the breast cancer women.. I think i can name about 15 off the top of my head.

The movie also made some great points about the pink ribbons campaign too. The money being raised is not centralized, so the same tests on the same type of patients is being conducted over and over, rather than an organized effort to test all racial groups/age groups.

http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/

This is bull. True, a percentage of women who get breast cancer are in the high risk group (they have a family history of it, etc.) and that explains why some women get breast cancer, but what about the other 80%? Why do they get breast cancer? I am not an expert on these subjects, but women do not develop breast cancer because they use cosmetics, deoderants or hair products, that is just bull. People need to face up to the fact that we don't know why some women get breast cancer and stop trying to blame every damn item that sits on the store shelf. I refuse to subscribe to the idea that nothing is safe.

Mind you, this is not a rant towards you, Wants2laugh, I realize you're just posting the message about things you've read, but this kind of fear that people try to instill in other people about basic products really irritates me.

I will continue to use hair spray every now and then, I will continue to use deoderant like most normal people and I will continue to use lipstick and mascara if I decide to go out for a night.

Somehow I doubt it will kill me.

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Re: Breast Cancer

by Supernova Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:41 pm

CaffeinePlease wrote:

This is bull. True, a percentage of women who get breast cancer are in the high risk group (they have a family history of it, etc.) and that explains why some women get breast cancer, but what about the other 80%? Why do they get breast cancer? I am not an expert on these subjects, but women do not develop breast cancer because they use cosmetics, deoderants or hair products, that is just bull. People need to face up to the fact that we don't know why some women get breast cancer and stop trying to blame every damn item that sits on the store shelf. I refuse to subscribe to the idea that nothing is safe.

Mind you, this is not a rant towards you, Wants2laugh, I realize you're just posting the message about things you've read, but this kind of fear that people try to instill in other people about basic products really irritates me.

I will continue to use hair spray every now and then, I will continue to use deoderant like most normal people and I will continue to use lipstick and mascara if I decide to go out for a night.

Somehow I doubt it will kill me.

No, we don't know WHY some get cancer and some don't but I don't buy that it JUST happens either, something's gotta cause it and that's why people analyze everything from microwave popcorn to new car smell, the answer's got to be out there somewhere, but I agree we can't blame everything on causing cancer when we can't prove ANYTHING that does cause it.

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Re: Breast Cancer

by wants2laugh Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:03 am

they also discussed the possibility that plastics could be the culprit. I did take an environmental science class that discussed cancer causing agents in vinyl siding. that class also stated that some chemicals mimic estrogen, so perhaps being around certain chemicals can stimulate breast cells in some way?

There is SOMETHING that is causing the numbers to increase... and since SOME things are more prevalent today than say 70 years ago, it is worth analyzing.

The barcode laser is an interesting observation. Every machine in my building has those type of OCR barcode readers... many registers at grocery store, etc... i wonder how many cashier wind up with breast cancer. hmmmm.... interesting.

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Re: Breast Cancer

by Hyacinth Girl Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:40 pm

wants2laugh wrote:they also discussed the possibility that plastics could be the culprit. I did take an environmental science class that discussed cancer causing agents in vinyl siding. that class also stated that some chemicals mimic estrogen, so perhaps being around certain chemicals can stimulate breast cells in some way?

There is SOMETHING that is causing the numbers to increase... and since SOME things are more prevalent today than say 70 years ago, it is worth analyzing.

The barcode laser is an interesting observation. Every machine in my building has those type of OCR barcode readers... many registers at grocery store, etc... i wonder how many cashier wind up with breast cancer. hmmmm.... interesting.

I think a big part of why there seems to be so much more increase in the prevalence of cancer now, than in the past, is the simple fact that we have far better detection techniques in the modern world than there were even 20 years ago. The number of cases probably haven't really increased that exponentially, but rather we've detected more of them, that otherwise would have gone undetected, years ago.

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Re: Breast Cancer

by Minerva Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:11 pm

[quote="Hyacinth Girl I think a big part of why there seems to be so much more increase in the prevalence of cancer now, than in the past, is the simple fact that we have far better detection techniques in the modern world than there were even 20 years ago. The number of cases probably haven't really increased that exponentially, but rather we've detected more of them, that otherwise would have gone undetected, years ago. [/quote]

I agree with this more than anything. My mom, who died about six years ago at age 94 had a friend who had four sisters. Out of all five sisters, her friend was the only one who survived breast Cancer. They all died in the 1960's and 70's when they were fairly young.

These ladies grew up in a time when plastic, bar codes, microwaves and all the modern things we are exposed to today either did not exist or did not exist in the abundance to which we are exposed.

Not to say that there are not dangers we face in modern times that they weren't exposed to. But I think they all had a genetic predisposition towards Cancer that in those days, may have not been well known.

Interesting too, they all smoked including my mom's friend who passed away in her upper 80's of non-Cancer related illness. It was pneumonia or something like that. Up until then she had been very healthy.

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Re: Breast Cancer

by Nystyle709 Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:01 pm

There are things you can do (diet, exercise) to make yourself healthier, but ultimately....I think you're going to get what you get. Cancer doesn't really run in my family, although my grandmother had breast cancer. But she died from a stroke, not the cancer. However, in my father's uncles's wife's family....it is rampant. Every last one of my aunt's (by marriage) brother's died from cancer. And we actually know where it came from. Back in South Carolina where they grew up, they used to spray the farms and produce when some kind of chemical and they all breathed and lived in that growing up. So we think that had something to do with it.