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    Post by Tony Marino Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:06 pm

    Courage and bravery can mean different things to different people, people who sky dive, rock climb, deep sea diving could be seen as brave, going to war, fighting someone who threatens you or stopping someone with a gun are seen as brave.

    But what about every day things? To go into a job where you cannot stand the people you work with? To face your partner even though you know things are going badly? To be able to simply get out of bed in the morning when you are in a deep stage of depression? Would you consider this to be courage or bravery?

    What in your mind is courage and bravery? How do you measure it and where is the limit? Do you think that it can be measured?
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    Post by RedBedroom Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:24 pm

    I always think of bravery as being more about the bigger things such as people with jobs in law enforcement, military and other more dangerous, selfless occupations.

    I think courage has so many levels. I think the term encompasses everything from hobbies such as sky diving to wearing a new dress in a style one isn't used to or completely comfortable in.
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    Post by Tony Marino Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:18 pm

    Very well put Red.
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    Post by Shale Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:50 pm

    IDK how brave I have ever been.

    I wear MY style, which is retro. I am one of the few ppl I ever see anymore wearing cutoff shorts, which I have worn since the '60s. They are comfortable and ME. Not brave, just independent excentricity. OH, I wear a Bikini style swimwear when I must wear something - again not bravery, just me not bending to the opinions of other (mostly young ppl) putting me in a pidgeon hole. So there is a degree of bravery in bucking the system, of standing up for what you believe even if it brings derision and even minor consequences.

    I go into work at a place where I would rather not, but that is perseverence because I cannot afford to lose that job. Bravery would be to tell the asswipe CEO to take that job and shove it and suffer the consequences of unemployment.

    Bravery to me are the warriors. Just met with a bunch of WWII warriors who flew in rickety, uncomfortable planes that they knew could be shot down. Talked with some that were and survived (and who saw their comrades killed). Then they went back up again if not too damaged. That is bravery.

    I guess if I were put in that situation I would do it - but I never was. My military service was in an office. Sometimes I have reacted, such as tackling a man trying to jump in the River when I was a cop in New Orleans, or grabbing a psycho who was threatening to stab another patient on the acute unit of a psych hospital. But bravery was my supervisor Nancy who walked out of the locked unit into the foyer to talk a returning patient out of a loaded shotgun he got in with. Brave or foolhardy? She succeeded and saved his life and perhaps the lives of some cops.

    So, I have never been tested personally - but I think bravery is putting your life and well-being in jeopardy for a greater good.
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    Post by CaffeinePlease Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:47 pm

    Courage and bravery are a hard thing to measure, that's for sure. I think it depends on the individual - what's easy for one person may not be for another. I consider courage and bravery to be anything that an individual faces that requires inner strength, that provokes fear but they do it anyway, that may also attract ridicule and unpopularity, but again, they do it anyway. It could be anything from a shy person starting his/her first day at a new job to being in a war.
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    Post by Alan Smithee Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:17 pm

    Tony Marino wrote:Courage and bravery can mean different things to different people, people who sky dive, rock climb, deep sea diving could be seen as brave, going to war, fighting someone who threatens you or stopping someone with a gun are seen as brave.

    But what about every day things? To go into a job where you cannot stand the people you work with? To face your partner even though you know things are going badly? (Being brave) To be able to simply get out of bed in the morning when you are in a deep stage of depression? (Being brave) Would you consider this to be courage or bravery?

    What in your mind is courage and bravery? How do you measure it and where is the limit? Do you think that it can be measured? (I think the human spirit is boundless and can't be measured.)

    They're both so close in meaning that they're used to define one another but if I had to put a fine point on it I think that someone can be brave without being afraid but that courage is overcoming fear.


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    Post by Minerva Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:37 pm

    Courage is getting up the nerve to do something you are scared out of your wits to do and bravery is doing it.
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    Post by wants2laugh Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:33 pm

    My mother once jumped into a burning building to save some kids that started the fire by playing with matches. My bro and friend jumped on a roof with a garden hose to put out a fire while I kicked in the guy's door to get him out.

    Was that brave or courageous? IDK... I thought of it as being human and having compassion.

    Sometimes I think that when u do it for someone or something else, it is more brave or courageous than for self preservation. I HAVE to go to my job if I want the things in life that I want/need (home, food, etc). I would HAVE to take care of any kids I had cause that is my responsibility that I chose to take on when I had them.

    Chris has a symbolic tattoo on his arm, and when i asked him what it means he said, "It's a buddhist prayer to help keep me alive". I was like DAMN! When I think about these guys who get on planes knowing that they might not come back, knowing they are going to be in fire fights.. it baffles me. But they believe in what they are doing--because they believe in America and the freedoms we stand for.

    Firefighters run INTO a fire at risk of their own lives to save others... cops the same.

    Saving others seems sooo much more brave and courageous than doing selfish things for myself.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:34 pm

    They can go hand in hand. Like I think firefighters are THE bravest people in the world. They go IN to burning buildings, with no problem. I ain't that brave. Courage is something that you can build up. Bravery is something that you just have I guess.

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