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PostSubject: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptyWed Dec 05, 2012 1:52 pm

NEW YORK - The New York Post, a gritty tabloid known for highlighting the wrongs of others, received harsh criticism Tuesday after running a front-page photo of a man about to be struck by a subway train.

The newspaper took heat from journalism critics, users of social media and New York City subway riders for publishing a picture of Queens resident Ki-Suck Han seconds before he was fatally struck.

"Pushed on the subway track, this man is about to die," said the Post's Tuesday headline. A photo showed Han standing on the track with "DOOMED" written underneath.

The newspaper cover, as well as an inside story and photos that described how Han was thrown to the tracks by an attacker on Monday, were condemned as insensitive and sensationalist.

"To say the cover of @nypost is despicable would be an egregious understatement. Love of capital over care for humans, wholly disgusting," said a Twitter user who goes by the handle MDSN.

"That's some really, really bad journalism @nypost. When you pair that photo with text on the cover it's incredibly insensitive. Shameful," said Tim Bowman (@tibowman).

"Disgusting! Whatever happened to integrity? Or just basic morals?" said Natasha Henry �(@NatashaSHenry).

R. Umar Abbasi, a New York Post freelance photographer who took the pictures, said he used the camera's flash to warn the driver to stop.

"I just started running, running, hoping that the driver could see my flash," he told the Post.

He was denounced for not trying to hoist Han, 58, from danger.

"He had a moral obligation to try to get to the guy and pull him out of the subway well," said Kelly McBride, senior faculty member for ethics at the Poynter Institute, a journalism education group.

"Maybe it wasn't possible. Maybe it wasn't doable," she said. "There are many things that aren't doable, but you have to try."

Student Charlene Johashen, 26, of Brooklyn said she would rush to help if she saw a man on the tracks.

"I wonder about myself and whether anyone would help if I was pushed," she said.

Nina Berman, an associate professor of photojournalism at Columbia University's Columbia Journalism School in New York City, said Abbasi shouldn't be so harshly criticized.

He said he tried to alert the train driver, so he didn't just ignore the victim, she said.

In such a situation, "it's convenient to blame the photographer" for not taking enough action to help, she said. "But what about all the other people there who you don't see in the frame?"

"I bet the photographer is traumatized," she adds. "He's a witness to a death, and he is vilified. And probably everyone on that platform is traumatized."

There is a lot more to consider than jumping into a situation blindly and attempting, perhaps with disastrous results, to save a life, said photographer and musician Dorian Hurodry, 32, of Queens. "Some people confuse reality with fiction," he said.

Abbasi didn't return e-mails requesting an interview. A public relations representative of the Post did not supply a response to a request for comment.

Han was pushed onto the tracks by a "deranged" man who subsequently fled the scene, the Post reported.

Police had a man in custody Tuesday afternoon. They released a video that showed the suspect arguing with Han.

Abbasi told the Post that Han tried to scramble to the platform as onlookers screamed for the train driver to stop. The train slowed, but Han could not escape.

ETHICS OF USING PHOTO DEBATED

On Tuesday, headlines such as "New York Post Cover Sparks Outrage" spread across the Internet. Journalists, social media experts and media watchers debated the ethics of using the photo.

For Poynter's McBride, there was no clear "journalistic purpose" to running such as image.

It's "not bearing witness to something people need to know about," she says.

"This isn't children fleeing a napalm bomb," referring to a Pulitzer Prize-winning photo from the Vietnam War, she said. "There has to be a journalism purpose behind a decision to run a horrific photo."

She said that even taking into consideration "the best possible version of this story -- that the photographer was trying to help and the pictures were a byproduct" -- still, "running the photos is horrible."

The newspaper cover "was distasteful," said Gene Russianoff, staff attorney and spokesman for the Straphangers Campaign, a New York City transit riders' advocacy group, "but we live in a country with free speech."

POST IS KNOWN FOR PROVOCATIVE HEADLINES

The Post, the nation's seventh largest newspaper by circulation, is known for attention-grabbing headlines and photos.

When a nor'easter followed the devastating superstorm Sandy, it ran a headline that said in part "GOD HATES US."

In 2007, the Post's provocative headlines were compiled in a book titled Headless Body in Topless Bar after one of its infamous headlines.

Despite the controversy it often courts -- and Tuesday's coverage that was "definitely pushing the envelope" -- the Post does do some good work, said McBride.

"They have a reputation for being shocking and scintillating, and within that culture or ethos, they actually do some clever, good things," she said. "Sometimes their headlines are absolutely the right thing."

They do some good journalism," she said. "It's not like they're the National Enquirer."

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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptyWed Dec 05, 2012 2:07 pm

I think the article may of been wrong in the wording, and stuff like this scares the crap out of me. Sometimes you can't do ANYTHING and you do things you normally wouldnt... or you do nothing.

My ex and I were going to a rave and some kids pulled a uturn on this highway in the middle of nowhere. A car was speeding (to get to the fucking party) and I sat there with my ex, we were driving and could of flashed our lights, honked, done something. Instead I just said "Oh my god stop stop stop don't do it!" As my ex said "Holy shit, what the fuck are they doing" and then BAM.... my heart was in my chest and I instantly thought of my friend that was killed in a car accident. We turned around when it was safe (there were tons of cars going the opposite direction) and by the time we could safely turn around, the cop was there so we knew there was nothing we could do. We parked, sat in stunned silence. Later on the rave held a moment of silence because someone died in the wreck. I absolutely LOST it and spent the rest of the night sitting on this back hill crying because we basically saw a life lost. And they were on drugs, and the driver didnt fucking look to see that a car was coming.
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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptyWed Dec 05, 2012 3:10 pm

I saw the photographer interviewed on the Today Show. I think he should not have sold the photo. I understand he is by trade, a photographer, but the family doesn't deserve this reminder in print or that the story of this photo is holding more significance than the loss of a life.
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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptyWed Dec 05, 2012 3:31 pm

I saw the foto on the evening news last nite. What can you say, it's the New York Post - maybe a step above the National Enquirer (debatable tho).

The whole ethics thing in foto journalism is really pushed here. There have been worse pix show up, like this guy in Africa being 'collared' to death. Or the stoning. There are lots of pix of ppl at the moment of death. One of the turning moments of America's distaste of the Vietnam war (as in stomach turning perhaps) was the foto of a man being summarily executed by a shot to the head by the local police chief who tried, convicted and executed him for being Viet Cong. You may have seen the pic - it ran in the papers maybe got a Pulitzer Prize. (There was also a film of that and it showed the guy on the ground with blood spurting out of his head as his heart was still pumping).

So, it will be argued from foto journalism as being legit to human decency to be more sensitive to ppl who may have known the guy and showing respect for his end-life dilemma.

I was into fotografy in the '80s and '90s and have had a few prints published at events I attended. I remember at the Names Project here in Miami, of which I was a participant and while fotografing the Quilts and crowds and known ppl in the community, I saw a couple of guys embracing, perhaps crying over someone whose panel they were near. My fotojournalist said GREAT SHOT! Human interest kinda thing. My decent guy said - It is their private moment - don't invade that.

Someday I will write a book without one pic in it and only descriptive text - The Pulitzer Prize Fotos I Never Took.
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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptyWed Dec 05, 2012 4:27 pm

I wouldn't buy a copy to see that. But it doesn't surprise me at all that it was published.
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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptyWed Dec 05, 2012 4:45 pm

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There are lots of pix of ppl at the moment of death. One of the turning moments of America's distaste of the Vietnam war (as in stomach turning perhaps) was the foto of a man being summarily executed by a shot to the head by the local police chief who tried, convicted and executed him for being Viet Cong. You may have seen the pic - it ran in the papers maybe got a Pulitzer Prize. (There was also a film of that and it showed the guy on the ground with blood spurting out of his head as his heart was still pumping).

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That is exactly what I was thinking about, Shale.

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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptyWed Dec 05, 2012 5:34 pm

Tony Marino wrote:
...They do some good journalism," she said. "It's not like they're the National Enquirer."

Oh, I hadn't read this article - thinking it was the same one I read in a newsfeed earlier. Apparently others have noticed the confusion between the NYP and NE. NYP is definitely the 'blue collar' newspaper.
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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptyThu Dec 06, 2012 10:51 pm

Everyone knows the NY Post is trash. That's why they be giving away their papers. Nobody spends money on that shit. I'm not the least bit surprised at their "journalism" tactics.
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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptyFri Dec 07, 2012 11:19 pm

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Everyone knows the NY Post is trash. That's why they be giving away their papers. Nobody spends money on that shit. I'm not the least bit surprised at their "journalism" tactics.

Totally agree. I've hated the Post since I was kid. It's always been garbage and they shouldn't have printed that picture.
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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptySat Dec 08, 2012 12:35 am

I haven't made any effort to see it & don't plan to but no, they shouldn't have printed it.
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PostSubject: Re: Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die?   Should NY Post have printed photo of man about to die? EmptySat Dec 08, 2012 12:23 pm

I don't think the Post is even fit to line a cat box with or use to wrap fish.
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