Your thoughts on Scott Peterson

Supernova wrote:

Okay, the body was decapitated and the hands and feet were severed too, clearly the killer wanted to avoid identification, but it was ID'd anyway, and HOW was she ID'd for that matter?

Supernova wrote:People seem to be divided on whether they think he's guilty or not, what's everybody else's take?

i think he is an asshole but im not sure he is guilty


This is just my thought, and I admit I did not follow this case much and am not as familiar with all the details as everybody else is. Okay, the case was highly circumstantial, but this seems to speak volumes in itself. Your wife who is 8 months pregnant, disappears, you take your sweet time to notice she's actually missing, and then can't stop saying the word missing.

When my sister was hormonal an very pregnant... she used to cry and leave her hubby all the time. I remember once her hubby came to my mom's looking for her. He said that they had fought hours ago and he had hoped she cooled off. She wasnt there. She was MAD and hid in the closet but was too big to be able to get back up off the floor by herself. She was still mad at him and didnt want to call him for help. It literally took us hours to find him. So can i see a pregnant women who finds out about a gf taking off? yes.


Everybody else is out searching, you're out playing golf, or going fishing. Before your wife disappeared, you TOLD your new girlfriend that she WAS dead and you were getting over her.

Married men do this all the time when cheating on their wives.... it gains them sympathy and makes them appear to be caring committment type of guys. If a 30 something guy says "I've never been married" it makes him look like a professional skirt chasing bachelor. "I'm divorced" puts the images that someone didnt want him or he did something wrong in the marriage which lead to divorce. But "my wife died" appears to be a loving devoted husband who needs to be comforted.


Shortly after your wife is missing, you sell her car, this says you don't believe she's coming back, and if she's only MISSING, why won't she come back? And if you know she's NOT coming back, why aren't you upset about this?

There was a massive effort to find her including shirts/hotlines... that stuff costs money. Perhaps he sold the car for that? he was already being investigated and harassed.. so perhaps he used it for a lawyer.

perhaps she found out about the gf and left. so he figured that she was fine. perhaps he thought she just needed time to calm down.

Okay, the body was decapitated and the hands and feet were severed too, clearly the killer wanted to avoid identification, but it was ID'd anyway, and HOW was she ID'd for that matter?

DNA

And again, for all the world can read of you, you don't care, you get arrested, and note get arrested JUST in time to be found with your appearance changed, $15,000, 4 cell phones, a gun, and Viagara on your person, go to trial, again for the most part you just don't care.

By that time, he was already persecuted in the press. What bothers me most about this case is that FIVE other pregnant women were found the same way---within a couple miles of each other. Laci was the only white woman, so she got the press. I have family in Modesto, and the majority of people there were pissed that there was little investigation/fan fare over the other women. the ppl there truly think it was a serial killer... and if so, then peterson either did them all, or he is innocent. he could have copy catted it... BUT the fact that this possibility of a serial killer was never brought up is suspect to me. since the defense never brought it up at trial, it leads me to believe that the judge kept it out and we just dont know it.

You are not upset by the graphic details about what happened to your wife and your unborn son, even when you are found guilty and given the death penalty, no readable response.

Defendents are TOLD to show no emotion at trial... doing so could make them look guilty and remorseful.

Now, prosecutors don't have to supply a motive or even prove it, but I think if you're a self proclaimed 'horny bastard' who has several extra-martial affairs and are ALREADY into telling your floozies that your wife is dead, a live wife and a newborn child are going to cause a BIG cramp in you choice lifestyle.

Ppl cheat.. kids or no kids. cheaters dont care if their gfs find out about the wife and kid.. if the gf doesnt like it, they find a new gf. being a horny bastard does not make him a killer


But instead he gets his mouth piece to say it was a Satanic cult, it was a prostitute, it was everything short of the Easter bunny, and none of them make any sense whatsoever.

If i was being tried to a murder i didnt commit.. i would be throwing out every possibility too... and might even put too much trust in the system thinking that they would never prosecute an innocent person.

We don't have the blade he used to dismember his wife, we don't have a crime scene, but we have a husband who has NEVER mourned the loss of his wife and child and behaved immediately after her disappearance as though he KNEW she would not be returning, or as if he had forgotten she existed in the first place. None of this says innocent in my book and I hope his appeal is denied.

Ppl all mourn in different ways, and men are still raised to believe that men dont cry. so who are you to say that he hasnt mourned? he could have been crying in his bedroom. we dont know. and guess what.. i was married for 7 yrs and hated my hubby by the end... if he died it would have made life easier for me.. and i would not have mourned him either. doesnt mean that i killed him. every marriage is completely different, and no one outside the marriage truly knows the inner workings. It is possible that they even had an open marriage and laci was fine with him sleeping around. Perhaps they were swingers or into BDSM? those lifestyles are things you keep from your family and friends... and any witnesses wouldnt come forward to protect their own identities due to the stigma on the lifestyle.

another thing about this case is the claim by prosecution that he took her out in his boat to dispose of the body. They insisted on it. But both drs Lee & baden, the leading forensics guys in the country stated that the boat had not be launched recently. they can tell by the fiberglass bottom. (i dont remember what they stated that recently meant---i would have to go look it up).

I'm not saying that i think he is innocent.. im saying that the reasons that ppl use to convict him in their minds are not as bad as it seems---they are going by gut, not evidence. Im not ever really sure about any conviction. sometimes evidence is excluded which could exonerate, sometimes it is left out which would seal the case. having not actually been on the jury, i cant really make a good determination.

having read different books on various murders, i can also see that the authors of "true crime" can slant the story one way or another. So even those are not trustworthy.

I would like to know about the other murders though.

wants2laugh wrote: ...I'm not saying that i think he is innocent.. im saying that the reasons that ppl use to convict him in their minds are not as bad as it seems---they are going by gut, not evidence. Im not ever really sure about any conviction. sometimes evidence is excluded which could exonerate, sometimes it is left out which would seal the case. having not actually been on the jury, i cant really make a good determination...

Shale wrote:You bring up some very valid points.

It is just like the OJ Simpson case. Not entirely convinced of his innocence but if I was on that jury, with what I know of that trial I would have voted to acquit.

I was once on a mock jury (lawyers pay these ppl to come in and listen to their case) From the evidence presented I knew in my gut that the sleezebag was guilty - but they did not have evidence to convict. That is the problem with trials - you have to go with the facts not the feelings. [/color][/size]

wants2laugh wrote:
By that time, he was already persecuted in the press. What bothers me most about this case is that FIVE other pregnant women were found the same way---within a couple miles of each other. Laci was the only white woman, so she got the press. I have family in Modesto, and the majority of people there were pissed that there was little investigation/fan fare over the other women. the ppl there truly think it was a serial killer... and if so, then peterson either did them all, or he is innocent. he could have copy catted it... BUT the fact that this possibility of a serial killer was never brought up is suspect to me. since the defense never brought it up at trial, it leads me to believe that the judge kept it out and we just dont know it.

AtownPeep wrote:They haven't poisoned him to death yet?

Supernova wrote:
I have two questions pertaining to the other murders that make it look like this could be a serial thing...the other women who were murdered, who had life insurance out on them? And for how much? Scott Peterson was the beneficiary for $250,000 when Laci died, he only couldn't collect it because he'd already been convicted by then so it went to her mother instead. Did these other women have high insurance policies on them that would make it look like a spouse did it?

wants2laugh wrote:
http://www.pwc-sii.com/Research/research/serial.htm#stories



Women Missing in Modesto Area

The idea that a serial killer is responsible for Laci's death has generally been scoffed at. People find it hard to believe that a serial killer would target pregnant women. These people might think twice if they knew how many pregnant women are missing in California, and especially from the Modesto area.

We have done some very interesting research on the number of missing women -- pregnant women -- in the DOJ records. Their disappearances are unsolved. Perhaps because no one in LE is looking for a common denominator that identifies this as a serial killer pattern. Reviewing this information might change some minds about the possibility that a serial killer is responsible for Laci's murder.

Click here to search the CA DOJ database and get updated information on a missing person in California.

4Case Stories

4Some things in Common

4Perry Monroe



Case Stories

Thousands of Californians vanish each year, far from the glare of the media spotlight. As of Dec. 31, 2001, more than 35,000 adults – 19,785 men and 15,357 women – were listed in the state Justice Department's missing persons database. Of those, more than 4,300, or about 12 percent, disappeared under unknown or suspicious circumstances. In Modesto, at least 10 women are missing, several under suspicious circumstances. They don't all get the media spotlight like Chandra Levy or Laci Peterson, but they are missing nonetheless, and perhaps there is some connection among some of them that links to a serial killer.

Evelyn Hernandez - Pregnant, found in the SF Bay, fetus not found, 5 year old son still missing

Jeannine Harms - South Bay, 42 yrs old, disappeared July 21, 2001, body not found, skull found much later in San Mateo County Update

Toni Clark - pregnant, disappears

Karen Modaffi, Last seen S.F. Lands End 1997.

Kristen Smart - San Luis Obispo Cal Poly student Freshman?

TERA SMITH ~ 16 years old, vanished ~ August 22, 1998 Source

HEATHER MARIE CARPENTER ~ 22 years old, Aug 2003 Source

Angelina Evans, eight months pregnant. She disappeared from Sacramento in late 2001, she went for a walk and never returned. Sacramento Police should have information on this missing individual.

Consuelo Lomeli (8 months Pregnant) last seen 05/03/2002 in Tulare: (Near Fresno) 3 daughters unknown whereabouts Source

Guadalupe Areias - (8 months Pregnant) last seen 11/26/2001 Longview WA, 1 daughter whereabouts unknown Source

Jeanette Gomez Espeleta - (8 months pregnant) Last seen 11/17/1998 Fullerton Ca Source

Ornaith Murphy (Husband also missing) - Last seen 12/16/2001 aboard her vessel Sola III which was docked in Jack London Square. Ornaith is missing with her husband Kieran Murphy. For further information refer to Kieran Murphys internet record. Jack London Square is in the Berkely/Oakland/San Francisco/Bay Area! Near the Bulb. Source

Wendy Jamie Abrams-Nishikai - Last seen 10/31/89 Berkely Police Department reporting agency Source

Amparo Aguilar - Last seen 12/20/1999 East Palo Alto (Bay Area) reporting Source

KRISTEN MODAFFERI went missing June 23rd 1997 Source

Kathy Irene Sweet, 32, had been dead only a few hours when a Stanislaus County sheriff's deputy found her nude body inside a pickup parked in a north Modesto almond orchard Jan. 14, 1998. Sweet also used the name Kathy Irene Meadows and sometimes went by the name Cindy. Her body was found in the 3900 block of Coffee Road, near the Silverwood Mobile Home Park. (January 18, 2003 by Modesto Bee)

Teiaar Nakea Rowe - Detectives said Friday they believe someone dumped Teiaar Nakea Rowe's body in a walnut orchard near here after killing her elsewhere. A farm worker came across the body, clad in only a black-and-white skirt, Wednesday morning in the orchard off Austin Road northeast of Manteca. The San Joaquin County Sheriff's Department reported Friday that officers had located Rowe's car in south Stockton. The 24-year-old victim was from Citrus Heights, in Sacramento. (June 21, 2003 by Modesto Bee)

Lynsie Ekelund, 22, disappeared from the family's Placentia home on Feb. 16, 2001. Source

Ruth Bender, 33, was last seen getting into a green van at the Greyhound bus station in Modesto. Source

Ruth Leamon, 37, went to a Modesto store for a Coke and never returned. Source

Rarely getting any media attention, these vanished women may never be found. One mother expresses the pain that all must feel:

When Elizabeth Smart was found in a Salt Lake City suburb, nine months after she was snatched at knifepoint from her bedroom, Lynsie Ekelund's mother sent the family a congratulatory e-mail. But inside, she seethed.

"My daughter is just as important as any other missing person out there," she said. "I should've been happier for Elizabeth Smart's family, but in my heart, I asked: 'Why couldn't it have been me?'" She pauses, choking down tears.

"I want something good to happen to my daughter."

Some things in Common

One problem with identifying a serial killer is police departments operate in a vacuum. There doesn't seem to be any central investigative team in the state that looks specifically for evidence of a serial killer, much less one that works among different states. Our researchers, amateurs without specialized training, have noted some very obvious common factors in several of the disappearances/murders, especially with those in the area of Modesto or the SF Bay.

College: University of Berkeley, Cal Poly, and University of Davis

Health conscious: Athletic clubs, gyms, parks, running

Nurse's training

Articulate, attractive

many were pregnant or thought to be pregnant

Perry Monroe


Another common factor is the number of bodies found in water, suggesting a fascination with water, or with cleanliness. We have also completed extensive research on Perry Monroe, who is implicated in the murder of Ladonna Milan.

Milan was murdered in Boulder City, Nevada, but 29 year old Monroe lived in Alameda, California, with his parents. He was found sleeping in a car in Fresno when he was arrested. He grew up in Alameda, and attended the University of California at Davis. Monroe began a four-week road trip through Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida on June 6 and Milan disappeared in Nevada on June 22.

Las Vegas police Lt. Tom Monahan quickly enlisted the aid of Police Departments in other states to determine if Monroe was a serial killer, but just as quickly ridiculed the suggestion Monroe may have been responsible for Laci Peterson's death. He was so annoyed at the suggestion that he immediately called the MPD to tell them there was absolutely no connection. We find this very strange.

Monroe apparently used a hack saw to dismember Milan. He put her torso, arms, and legs in the fishing pond at Veteran's Memorial Lake, and the hands were found in Monroe's car. The head and feet were not found at either location.

Homicide experts initially believed Milan's killer had prior experience at handling dead things, but nothing in Monroe's background suggested he was a predator or prone to violence, according to early reports on the story.

Monroe's case was disposed of very quickly and quietly as he was committed to a mental institution.

wants2laugh wrote:yeah.. but the possibility of a serial killer leads to reasonable doubt... and reasonable doubt leads to a not guilty verdict.

true that theses women were primarily from several areas, Scaramento, Modesto, SF.... but truck drivers have been known to be serial killers before... perhaps that is his truck route? perhaps he works in the medical field and bounces from hospital to hospital.

finding an 8 mos pregnant woman isnt that hard... those women are going to be really big and look it. PLUS, and i had no idea never having had a baby.. there is a big controversy in the pregnancy world over how long a women is pregnant and "how many weeks" is a month.... i thought it was the most ridiculous argument ever.. because months are 4wks plus so many days... some women say "3 mos" but are actually 13 weeks.. its soooo retarded!!!