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    Post by Alan Smithee Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:13 pm

    Given the proliferation of the computer, could the emphasis of a child's early education be shifted away from learning penmanship (cursive writing) that we learned? I don't mean that they shouldn't be taught how to write with a pencil or pen but is learning how to make the same curvy forms that their grandparents learned still relevant? I think everyone should be able to communicate via the manual written word but would a legible form of printing serve as well? Just asking.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:25 pm

    I hated cursive so I am biased. FORGIVENESS MAN
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    Post by GrayWolf Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:40 pm

    Kids (teens) handwriting today is awful. My niece is 14 and her penmanship is terrible, I remember when girls used to have really neat and "pretty" handwriting. Kids these days are all about texting and laptops, so they never use a writing utensil unless it's demanded of them.
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    Post by RedBedroom Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:22 pm

    My son had the traditional cursive lessons just like I did. I don't think the education system would ever change it. No matter how a person's penmanship turns out, nice or poor, we all started with the same basics of connecting letters.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:50 pm

    GrayWolf wrote:Kids (teens) handwriting today is awful. My niece is 14 and her penmanship is terrible, I remember when girls used to have really neat and "pretty" handwriting. Kids these days are all about texting and laptops, so they never use a writing utensil unless it's demanded of them.
    The handwriting of professionals like doctors leaves a lot to be desired too. Wink
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    Post by Marc™ Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:31 am

    I love to write....have ever since I was a kid....so my handwriting is gorgeous. When I was HS, I used to sign my friends homework and pink slips from the teacher for them.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:41 am

    I think they should definitely learn it. It's something you'll never forget how to do. Plus, you're going to be signing your name for the rest of your life and cursive is still the preferred method of doing so. Me personally, I don't think I have the typical "pretty" handwriting. It's been said that geniuses and really intelligent people have sloppy and not so neat penmanship as well so it's all good, I'm in good company. Smile
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    Post by Tony Marino Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:21 am

    Since the computer age my handwriting has decreased, I used to have a nice flair to my writing now I can barely hold the pen without getting cramps in my hand.
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    Post by Supernova Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:01 pm

    This reminds me of an article that was on MSN last year, this woman, a TEACHER, said that her son had trouble writing his e's and the teachers made him continue to work on it, so her solution was quit teaching all handwriting, wrapping up her article with 'put down the pencils kids because there are cooler toys to play with'. A teacher...'there are cooler toys to play with?' where did she graduate, University of Radioshack or something? And everybody had the same thing to say, if her kid was having trouble in math, was he solution going to be 'quit teaching all math'?

    I was taught how to write in cursive, and at first I hated it because I couldn't get some of the letters like the b's and the v's and the z's and the f's, but my mother never gave me the option of giving up, and since then, cursive had been my first penmanship, printing second. On another hand, I had a neighbor kid who's 1 1/2 years younger than I am...and to this day his writing looks worse than a kindergartener's...he writes everything 10 times the size anybody else does and it all looks like he wrote it during an earthquake, everything is squiggly, he never even learned how to make an O round, never remembers to capitalize anything or put in periods or anything, and his mom's attitude was 'everybody's going to be using computers so why should he bother learning cursive?' And this was 10 years ago and if anything, his writing has only gotten worse over the years.

    I like cursive because it looks more...professional, for just writing out a grocery list or something, I print, but whenever I write somebody a letter, I write cursive because it's faster, printing takes more time for me. And then I always think about people who never learned to cursive or don't use it, and then everything you get in the mail or from the government or whatever, where it says sign your name on the top line and then print it on the bottom...if it looks the same both ways...well, I don't know what to make of that and I know the rule's generally to hell with what other people think but when people see that on your return slip or something, I don't think it impresses them much either as per your ability to write.
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    Post by Alan Smithee Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:21 pm

    Tony-
    I know just what you mean. I've been a draftsman in the architecture field since 1983 and back then CAD (computer aided drafting) was not very common so I had to develope good lettering skills. It got to the point that I began to use that style in other forms of written communication so that I wasn't using my typical handwriting (which wasn't all that great to begin with). Then after about 7-8 years I started using the computer and over time my manual skills eroded overall. I finally got to the point where I felt the need for some self improvment in that area.

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    I also agree that at least legible hand writing is important for the impression it can have on others especially from a professional standpoint.
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    Post by Chris Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:48 am

    Tony Marino wrote:Since the computer age my handwriting has decreased, I used to have a nice flair to my writing now I can barely hold the pen without getting cramps in my hand.

    Same here. I have to sign off on paperwork at work, but that is mostly initials and sparse writing. The other day, I sat down and called myself 'writing out a grocery shopping list' and was annoyed by how bad my handwriting has become. It didn't use to look so sloppy.
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    Post by Shale Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:43 am

    We in the computer age often wonder about the viability of these old arts, like ciphering and handwriting in the age of calculators & multiple pretty fonts.

    But, there are times you may find yourself outside of the electronic age (power outtage, stranded on a deserted island) or you may be drafted to do the minutes of every meeting that your company has.

    That is what happened to me a decade ago. I had never gone to college, never had experience with taking notes in a lecture. (In HS I just retained what the teach said - I either understood it or I didn't - writing it was no help) And, everyone is impressed with how much of the conversation I capture in the minutes.

    This without steno training or a standard shorthand (I have my own shorthand using Spanish or Russian words if shorter and nursing chart symbols). My notes are written on a legal pad, then later typed and stored electronically on our server. These notes are barely readable and I have to get on them quickly because after they get cold even I can't remember what I wrote.

    But, you never know when it may be required to write in cursive so it is a good skill to retain, even in the computer age. (until they come up with a voice reader program that transcribes accurately what was said to it.) Then we all sit back, relax and wait for the Matrix to be built for us.
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    Post by Shale Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:51 am

    alan smithee wrote:... I've been a draftsman in the architecture field since 1983 and back then CAD (computer aided drafting) was not very common so I had to develope good lettering skills. ...
    I used to make little artsy things, and remember doing something that required Gothic lettering. Not being a calligrapher, I used one of those plastic templates art stores sold. Took about an hour to make a small statement covering a page (had to measure, put down pencil work lines, pencil in the letters from the template, ink the letters, erase the work lines - HOPE you didn't write "drak" instead of "dark." my badd ) All that work I did can now be done in less than a minute in Microsoft Word.

    I just scanned this page, done with the technology of a medieval monk

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    Post by Alan Smithee Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:05 pm

    HOPE you didn't write "drak" instead of "dark." my badd )

    A common note we used was "cut to suit". Every once in a while the "u" would look like an "h".
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    Post by Supernova Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:05 pm

    How do you do that?
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    Post by Alan Smithee Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:42 pm

    Basically because both letters can be formed with two vertical strokes and one horizontal. Too much haste and one letter can be mistaken for the other.
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    Post by TSJFan4Ever Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:36 pm

    I think handwriting will always be important but I think it's less important in the computer age. It should still be taught,but along with keyboarding. I don't think it will ever go out of style, though.

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