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    Post by GrayWolf Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:01 pm

    Is there anyone else who feels as though school isn't what determines who's smart and who isn't smart? I ask this because everywhere you seethe same thing, if someone went to school/college they are smart whereas if they did not go, they are not smart.

    I have met numerous degree holders who were... intellectually unimpressive. And I have met some who never went to college and few who never finished high school, yet have excellent spelling and are VERY knowledgeable and worldly. But the world will never accept these brainy folks for what they are all because they do not hold a degree. School vs. No School 373371


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    Post by Tony Marino Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:04 pm

    Most of the people I know that went to college are pretty lame, talk about bad spelling, they can barely speak the english language correctly. I don't believe you have to hold a degree to be smart or on an intellectual level. Its a matter of what you learn along the way in life that makes you who you are and what you can do.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:24 pm

    ITA! "School" is overrated, college especially. Degrees do not prove nor do they create intelligence. Plenty of people with degrees are quite dumb and plenty of people without them are brilliant. Sure, everybody should be educated but education and "school" are not necessarily synonymous, especially in today's day and age.
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    Post by AtownPeep Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:40 pm

    I agree with you OP, it's a pet peeve of mine when people mistake education for intelligence or even knowledge. All that most degrees (some subjects, particularly on the science side, admittedly need more formal training) really proves is that you're willing to show up for X number of years and do at least a minimum of what you're told to do. I guess I can see why employers like degrees, even when the job in no way needs one, though a good work history can prove the same thing.
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    Post by Chris Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:51 pm

    A degree proves you can jump through hoops persistently and consistently. In the grand scheme of things, anything you learn after, say the tenth grade, is scholastic decoration. Someone who only graduated high school can become as much of a executive asset to the company as someone who has a MBA. The truth, however, is that employers are elitists, so the dumbest Masters holder will get in the door ten times faster than the smartest college dropout.
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    Post by Supernova Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:57 pm

    School is definitely not what defines who is smart and who isn't. When my mother was in college (bad example I know, but bear with me) she read a book written by former teachers for a psychology course, and one former teacher wrote that in kindergarten, they spend the first week of school watching the kids, and based on what they see during the first five days, decide who goes into the smart groups and who goes into the retarded group, by watching a bunch of 5 year olds for the first 5 days of the school year. You can't tell me that's not going to set a kid up to fail being put in the retard class their first week in school, and why? Maybe they were shy and didn't interact with the other students enough, maybe they don't follow the pattern of what 'smart' kids do.

    And from there, you have teachers who know you can't do the work right to save your life but they'll tell you it's correct, and everybody just passes you onto the next grade so you're not their problem anymore. Then you come out into the real world with grades that are passing or maybe even good just to make sure they're rid of you, but what have you learned?
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    Post by Nystyle709 Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:37 pm

    I see absolutely nothing wrong with going to college and becoming educated in the 'traditional' sense. ITA that not all college grads with degrees are intellectually smart (Lord knows I've met a few of them in my time) but I would NEVER discourage someone from going to college and furthering their education. Never.
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    Post by RobbieFTW Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:20 am

    You only have to look at the many names on Forbes' most rich list to see that it doesn't take a whole bunch of degrees to be a huge success. Some skills cannot be taught so sometimes it pays think outside the square. Empathy comes from living, as does common sense.
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    Post by Supernova Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:53 am

    Ray Bradbury always said college doesn't teach you how to be a writer, and he never went and he's one of the most successful writers of the 20th century, with a writing career expanding over 60 years.
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    Post by RedBedroom Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:45 pm

    I agree. Being a degree holder does not equate to common sense.
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    Post by MandyPerfumeGirl Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:00 pm

    I've never thought that the number of diplomas proved whether a person is smart or not. To me a smart person practices what is right, has common sense and listens to their gut instinct. There are plenty of people with many diplomas who are dopes (we've all been to the good old doctor with his diplomas on the wall who had the intellect of a block of wood.)

    I think employers are impressed by college degrees, I will say that, but that in no way proves who is smart and who is not. It proves they're educated, but not necessarily intelligent - I think George W. Bush is proof of that.
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    Post by RiteDiva Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:10 am

    There is a difference between being smart and being educated. Someone who goes to college gets more educated than the person who doesn't, but that doesn't mean the college grad is any smarter.

    Education is:

    The act or process of imparting or acquiring general knowledge, developing the powers of reasoning and judgment, and generally of preparing oneself or others intellectually for mature life.
    2. The act or process of imparting or acquiring particular knowledge or skills, as for a profession.
    3. A degree, level, or kind of schooling: a university education.
    4. The result produced by instruction, training, or study: to show one's education.
    5. The science or art of teaching; pedagogics.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:16 am

    MandyPerfumeGirl wrote:I think employers are impressed by college degrees, I will say that, but that in no way proves who is smart and who is not. It proves they're educated, but not necessarily intelligent - I think George W. Bush is proof of that.
    You almost read my mind with that last quote, although I was thinking of a more recent presidential Yale grad. Razz

    George Bailey had the idea of college down! "Then I'll go to college and see what they know." It's a line that I've come to see quite an ironic truth in. All you're doing when you go to college is seeing what THEY know. Frankly at the price of it, it's becoming a big racket. Employers are impressed with degrees but if you could magically get yourself a binding degree out of thin air, would you really be much worse off than somebody who did the whole 4+ years/50K dollars thing?(Assuming you're not going into the medical, law, etc. profession)
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    Post by CatEyes10736 Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:27 pm

    GrayWolf wrote:Is there anyone else who feels as though school isn't what determines who's smart and who isn't smart? I ask this because everywhere you seethe same thing, if someone went to school/college they are smart whereas if they did not go, they are not smart.

    I have met numerous degree holders who were... intellectually unimpressive. And I have met some who never went to college and few who never finished high school, yet have excellent spelling and are VERY knowledgeable and worldly. But the world will never accept these brainy folks for what they are all because they do not hold a degree. School vs. No School 373371

    I don't think it's meant to determine, or weed out, who is or isn't smart. I think it's meant to help those that know how to use the education. And help those that won't benefit from the education to determine it early.

    The way it was explained to me is that a degree shows you are able to commit to something, and see it through to the end. It also allows someone to learn the language of their "trade" (or field of study) which will help in their learning process.
    It also exposes a person to several different points of view. Several areas of knowledge. And imparts a general flexibility or adaptability in their thinking and/or for their future.
    Most schools anymore are really interested in the whole "multicultural" aspect of their student body and faculty. So people are exposed to people from all over the country, and all over the world (assuming it's not all telecommuting or virtual classroom).

    So IMO it brings up the question "Do you want to be an expert in one narrow field, or able to adequately get along and communicate in several different and unrelated fields in case things change?"

    A degree doesn't bestow a title of "smart" on someone. But it does portray that the person with the degree accomplished something voluntarily, committed to something they didn't have to, knows the language, and were exposed to different areas of thought and knowledge in the process.

    Ideally at least. Some people waste their education, some people waste their lives.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:15 pm

    CatEyes10736 wrote:

    I don't think it's meant to determine, or weed out, who is or isn't smart. I think it's meant to help those that know how to use the education. And help those that won't benefit from the education to determine it early.

    The way it was explained to me is that a degree shows you are able to commit to something, and see it through to the end. It also allows someone to learn the language of their "trade" (or field of study) which will help in their learning process.
    It also exposes a person to several different points of view. Several areas of knowledge. And imparts a general flexibility or adaptability in their thinking and/or for their future.
    Most schools anymore are really interested in the whole "multicultural" aspect of their student body and faculty. So people are exposed to people from all over the country, and all over the world (assuming it's not all telecommuting or virtual classroom).

    So IMO it brings up the question "Do you want to be an expert in one narrow field, or able to adequately get along and communicate in several different and unrelated fields in case things change?"

    A degree doesn't bestow a title of "smart" on someone. But it does portray that the person with the degree accomplished something voluntarily, committed to something they didn't have to, knows the language, and were exposed to different areas of thought and knowledge in the process.

    Ideally at least. Some people waste their education, some people waste their lives.

    I love how you summed this up. Totally co-sign. Anybody who would actually discourage a college education because they don't think they're 'worth' anything is a damn fool. But I say let them stew in their ignorance. They prob. don't get out much anyway. College isn't just academics. It's an experience. Whether you go across country to go to school or around your way to the local community college, you're going to meet different kinds of people be exposed to different kinds of viewpoints and you're going to learn somethi    ng. But I guess some people fear that.
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