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    Post by Supernova Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:11 pm

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40218074/?gt1=43001


    And it's said the same problem could be occurring with the full body scanners in which you show up naked on the screen. And of course, there are always the people who say 'oh well if it keeps us safe from 'the arabs' then it's worth it, if you don't like it, stay home'. It's pathetic how much freedom and liberty people are willing to throw away for a little bit of security, or rather the illusion of security.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:53 pm

    Supernova wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40218074/?gt1=43001


    And it's said the same problem could be occurring with the full body scanners in which you show up naked on the screen. And of course, there are always the people who say 'oh well if it keeps us safe from 'the arabs' then it's worth it, if you don't like it, stay home'. It's pathetic how much freedom and liberty people are willing to throw away for a little bit of security, or rather the illusion of security.

    Damn, what's going on? I agree again. That full body scanning is complete bullshit. It's unconstitutional to violate someone's privacy and civil rights on the account of terrorism or whatever you wanna come up with. Maybe if this country stopped fucking people over, the terrorists won't attack them. You are NO safer from terrorists than you were on September 10, 2001. The government is just coming up with any excuse to do bogus shit.
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    Post by Shale Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:19 pm

    Nystyle709 wrote: Damn, what's going on? I agree again. That full body scanning is complete bullshit. It's unconstitutional to violate someone's privacy and civil rights on the account of terrorism or whatever you wanna come up with. Maybe if this country stopped fucking people over, the terrorists won't attack them. You are NO safer from terrorists than you were on September 10, 2001. The government is just coming up with any excuse to do bogus shit.
    So, what are you suggesting? That we just let ppl board planes, carryon bags in hand without any search procedure at all?

    Oh, check the bag maybe? for what? You can carry explosives in your underwear.

    Of course no one would ever hide explosives in their underwear or their shoe and especially in any carryon luggage. yeah right

    BTW, there is nothing in the constitution that says a private carrier can't establish rules to travel on their conveyance. You have free choice - don't fly. I don't fly anymore because it has deteriorated to the quality of Greyhound, only more expensive and more dangerous.




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    Post by Shale Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:21 pm

    Supernova wrote: And it's said the same problem could be occurring with the full body scanners in which you show up naked on the screen. And of course, there are always the people who say 'oh well if it keeps us safe from 'the arabs' then it's worth it, if you don't like it, stay home'. It's pathetic how much freedom and liberty people are willing to throw away for a little bit of security, or rather the illusion of security.
    What exactly is the problem? What is so sacrosanct about a blurry pic of your body being seen? Get caught in a rainstorm and you will show more thru a wet T-shirt.

    IDK, maybe I've been a nudist too long to really see what all the modesty is about.
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    Post by Supernova Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:32 pm

    Nystyle709 wrote:
    Damn, what's going on? I agree again. That full body scanning is complete bullshit. It's unconstitutional to violate someone's privacy and civil rights on the account of terrorism or whatever you wanna come up with. Maybe if this country stopped fucking people over, the terrorists won't attack them. You are NO safer from terrorists than you were on September 10, 2001. The government is just coming up with any excuse to do bogus shit.

    I'm with you. If I didn't already didn't fly, this crap on top of everything else would definitely sell me on 'don't fly me, I'll drive'.
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    Post by captainbryce Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:53 pm

    I don't really have a problem with this and I really wish I could understand why other people seem to care about this so much. confused
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    Post by RobbieFTW Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:09 pm

    Supernova wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40218074/?gt1=43001


    And it's said the same problem could be occurring with the full body scanners in which you show up naked on the screen. And of course, there are always the people who say 'oh well if it keeps us safe from 'the arabs' then it's worth it, if you don't like it, stay home'. It's pathetic how much freedom and liberty people are willing to throw away for a little bit of security, or rather the illusion of security.

    Well everyone know those "Arabs" are out to blow everybody up. :frustrated:
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    Post by Nystyle709 Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:29 pm

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    So, what are you suggesting? That we just let ppl board planes, carryon bags in hand without any search procedure at all?

    Looks like someone has a penchant for being over dramatic as well. Did I say that? Please tell me where I implied that there should be NO scanning whatsoever of people and their property.


    Oh, check the bag maybe? for what? You can carry explosives in your underwear.

    Word? No shit? Well, if I can recall correctly, dude got through scanning with that shit in his underwear overseas. Perhaps they are the ones who need to upgrade their scanning procedures instead of using that as excuse to look at people in buff here.

    Of course no one would ever hide explosives in their underwear or their shoe and especially in any carryon luggage. Airport body scanners are saving and transmitting pictures 471600

    LOL. Have you been to an airport lately? First of all, they already had full body scanning at all airports prior to this introduction of scanning just to get a look at your naked ass. When I go to the airport to board a flight, they make me take off my shoes. They thoroughly check me and my bag that goes through scanning. If this world is so damn high tech that they could detect fucking Motions hair oil and Colgate toothpaste in my bag (which they did and made me throw out because it was in an over 3 oz bottle/tube), then they can check for explosives without having to look at your naked rear end. It's the principle of the whole thing. People aren't comfortable with random people looking at their bodies. Unless I authorize you to pull them off later, you don't need to be looking at my Vicky Sees. And.I.GAU-RAN-TEE. you're going to hear some news story about some perv just 'doing his job' and getting off by looking at naked X-rays. Bonafide peep show. And what about children? They should be subjected to naked, full body scans too? Bottom line: it really wasn't needed. Especially since these scans don't even detect what could be in someone's body cavity (i.e. asscrack). It's a gross invasion of privacy.

    BTW, there is nothing in the constitution that says a private carrier can't establish rules to travel on their conveyance.

    They can establish whatever they want. But this is want the 4th Amendment says:

    Amendment IV[size=18]The right of the people to be secure in their persons
    , houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    I don't feel secure in my person. It can be argue that X-ray scanning is an unreasonable search (which it is).


    You have free choice - don't fly. I don't fly anymore because it has deteriorated to the quality of Greyhound, only more expensive and more dangerous.[/size]

    You don't have to fly, but you're basically saying that they should have the right to look at your naked ass without your permission because you might be carrying an explosive like the previous nut. That they should scan because they have reasonable probable cause that every single millionth person that travels by air is carrying an explosive in their underwear. They spun that bull to get people to think that it's only a security measure when they're really violating your rights and you bought it. Hook. Line. Sinker.







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    Post by Alan Smithee Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:30 pm

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    Shale, it looks like you're not in step with the ACLU on this.
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    Post by Shale Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:28 pm

    alan smithee wrote: ...Shale, it looks like you're not in step with the ACLU on this.
    No, I've been a card carrying member for decades - but I don't agree with all their stances - and I tell 'em about it.

    I'm a loose cannon in many liberal organizations. Blue Cool
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    Post by Shale Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:31 pm

    Nystyle709 wrote:

    Looks like someone (else) has a penchant for being over dramatic as well. ...
    Fixed it for ya.
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    Post by RedBedroom Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:15 am

    I don't mind any type of scan, no matter the clarity. However, I don't think that they should be saved under any circumstance other than if they found something illegal.
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    Post by Marc™ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:24 am

    RedBedroom wrote:I don't mind any type of scan, no matter the clarity. However, I don't think that they should be saved under any circumstance other than if they found something illegal.

    Agreed. I'm 100% in support of airports scanning up the ass....but like you said, there's no need to keep those scans for longer than maybe a few days. If nothing goes down, then there's no point in keeping them.
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    Post by Supernova Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:17 pm

    Nystyle709 wrote:

    And think about this, IN the cases where a child might be scanned, those pictures would be saved, and that could be declared production and possession of child pornography, so are they going to blow the whistle on that one? Or, since as this guy on the news this morning was saying 'terrorists use children as we've seen in the Middle East', is it going to suddenly be okay to look at little children naked too since it's all in the name of national security?

    And here's my bottom line on it. We are SUPPOSED to be a FREE country, we still have the innocent until proven guilty thing, okay then, WHY do all the innocent people have to be treated like criminals so they can maybe find one REAL terrorist in a million non-terrorist travelers? I mean everybody is soooooooooooooooooooooooo concerned about it, like it's a very big happening, like it's going on ALL THE TIME. Okay then, I would like to know, for every one million NON-terrorists that they search and grop and scan at the airport, how many ACTUAL terrorists are they getting for every million normal people? I mean if it's SUCH an imminent threat, their numbers must be in the thousands or tens of thousands, right? Oh wait, that's right, they're not, you hear about a hijack attempt MAYBE once or twice a month, out of all the millions of flights departing and arriving every single day. The fact is that people are just paranoid and the government is enjoying them feeding off this paranoia because it makes their jobs that much easier to take away another piece of our freedom and hope that we're all too chicken little sky-is-falling head-in-the-sand to notice what they're doing to us.


    Well you know what? If they want to treat their CUSTOMERS like criminals, fine, they obviously don't need my money even though they're now resorting to charging people for pillows, blankets, drinks, carry-ons, even though they are now resorting to nickle and diming everybody for every single thing they need on an airplane, they obviously do NOT need my money despite their penny pinching efforts, because so long as their security is like that, I am never flying commercial.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:32 pm

    I think the pic thing's dumb; but yet another reason why I don't fly. Razz
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    Post by Supernova Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:02 pm

    Forgiveness_Man wrote:I think the pic thing's dumb; but yet another reason why I don't fly. Razz

    Exactly, you know what? The airlines obviously don't want my money, which is fine cuz I don't want to give it to them anyway. But thanks commercial lines so much for making the decision so much easier. Enjoy your empty window seat and your unfluffed pillows.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:51 pm

    RedBedroom wrote:I don't mind any type of scan, no matter the clarity. However, I don't think that they should be saved under any circumstance other than if they found something illegal.

    Scanning for security measures isn't the issue. It's violating your privacy to do so that's the issue. That's not something that should be mandated. If they're going to have an X-ray scan of people bodies, fine.....but that should only be used in cases where you have reasonable probable cause that a person is carrying something on them that they shouldn't be. Seriously, they can detect whether you have change in your pockets, a gun, a knife, body spray, hair oil, toothpaste (like I said, they detected these things in my carry on bag and made me take it out and throw it out because it didn't fit the FAA guidelines of it being less than 3 oz) but they can't detect something that will ignite without looking at your ass? Me personally, if I board a flight right now....I'll go through X-ray scanning and not give it a second thought. They wanna look at my ass, let 'em look. But a lot of people aren't comfortable with that and they have every right not to be. The sole reason I'm against it is because they're playing on people's fears and using it to do what they shouldn't be doing. It's not justified. You're not going to be any safer than you were before. And really, them not saving the pictures would be a complete farce. Of course they're going to save them. Eventually. Find another way to profile.
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    Post by Shale Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:01 pm

    IDK, I cannot understand all this protest about security precautions that have a PROVEN valid reason for being implemented.

    Are you forgetting that two huge World Trade Center buildings were taken down with carpet knives? That stupid fanatic whose shoe bomb didn't explode would have taken that plane down if his device had worked. And that same explosive material can be stuffed in your butt crack or around your junk.

    Each of these successful and failed attempts make us close the stable door after that horse got out, but it may prevent others from getting out, hence the thoro body searches for non metal explosive devices.

    We aren't living in the quaint old days of civility where I managed to take a Ruger 44 magnum onto a plane in a briefcase in 1966. The world has changed, get used to it.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:38 pm

    Shale wrote:IDK, I cannot understand all this protest about security precautions that have a PROVEN valid reason for being implemented.

    Security isn't supposed to VIOLATE PEOPLE'S RIGHTS! What part of that don't you get? Have all the security you want. However, you're not supposed to violate people in order to do so. I'm jacking your quote Alan:

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    Shale, it looks like you're not in step with the ACLU on this.


    Are you forgetting that two huge World Trade Center buildings were taken down with carpet knives?

    I've flown before and after 9/11. And trust me when I tell you.....
    they HAVE beefed up security tremendously since the attacks. I remember being able to watch them refuel the planes. I remember being able to say goodbye to and greet people on the tarmac. They don't do that anymore. Security ain't lax.

    That stupid fanatic whose shoe bomb didn't explode would have taken that plane down if his device had worked. And that same explosive material can be stuffed in your butt crack or around your junk.

    These body scans don't even catch anything in your butt crack! You'd have to do a cavity search. So what, they're going to tell people to bend over and spread 'em now? Police officers who arrest people can't even strip search them unless they get permission to do so, and they have to have reasonable probable cause to get permission to do so. Like I said, if they can detect something as minute as toothpaste, they should be able to at least detect explosive material. If someone is coming through the scan and something is going off and they check your bag and that's clean and then you go through the scan again and you're still going off......then boom....take 'em to the X-ray scan and find out what's going on. That's when it should be used. Nobody is against searching. It's unreasonable searching.

    Each of these successful and failed attempts make us close the stable door after that horse got out, but it may prevent others from getting out, hence the thoro body searches for non metal explosive devices.
    We aren't living in the quaint old days of civility where I managed to take a Ruger 44 magnum onto a plane in a briefcase in 1966. The world has changed, get used to it.

    I'm quite aware that the world has changed. But I don't live in fear. And I don't allow people to feed me bullshit to justify violating my CONSTITUTIONAL right to privacy. Sorry, it doesn't fly with me.
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    Post by Supernova Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:45 pm

    Nystyle709 wrote:

    I'm quite aware that the world has changed. But I don't live in fear. And I don't allow people to feed me bullshit to justify violating my CONSTITUTIONAL right to privacy. Sorry, it doesn't fly with me.


    Amen. I mean let's be real. If they have to poke, prod, and strip search 7 million tourists and travelers before they find ONE terrorist, the ends do NOT justify the means. If the government suddenly said 'we need to install cameras into your homes and watch you at all times to make sure you're not a terrorist', are people just going to blindly do it? Where is the line drawn? People seem to forget that a wise man once said those who trade freedom for security deserve neither. And if you think about it, those who would trade freedom for security COULD very well wind up LOSING both.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:05 pm

    Shale wrote:Are you forgetting that two huge World Trade Center buildings were taken down with carpet knives? That stupid fanatic whose shoe bomb didn't explode would have taken that plane down if his device had worked. And that same explosive material can be stuffed in your butt crack or around your junk.

    I am sure they will find a way around that too. But just cause some terrorist wants to stick a bomb up his crotch doesn't mean I enjoy some pervert copping a feel of the guys. Razz So yet again, another reason I have no desire to fly. Razz
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    Post by Supernova Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:07 pm

    Forgiveness_Man wrote:

    I am sure they will find a way around that too. But just cause some terrorist wants to stick a bomb up his crotch doesn't mean I enjoy some pervert copping a feel of the guys. Razz So yet again, another reason I have no desire to fly. Razz

    It's like NYstyles said, if their machine can pick up toothpaste, then there is no reason why it can't pick up explosive devices, ESPECIALLY since THOSE are the kinds of things these scanners are SPECIFICALLY BUILT TO LOOK FOR! If this crap isn't incompetence in the greatest degree, I don't know what is.
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    Post by Shale Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:37 pm

    Nystyle709 wrote:Security isn't supposed to VIOLATE PEOPLE'S RIGHTS! What part of that don't you get? Have all the security you want. However, you're not supposed to violate people in order to do so.
    OK, no more arguments with obtuse ppl.

    Tell me how you would ensure that terrorists could not take down a plane without invading people's privacy who would board that plane.

    I'm apparently uninformed how that can be done.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:02 pm

    Shale wrote:
    OK, no more arguments with obtuse ppl.

    I'm obtuse? Present an argument that differs in opinion and you assume that I'm not intelligent? LOL. Now see normally, Nystyle would nicely render her own personal dig in response to this, but fortunately for you, my parents taught me to always respect my elders.
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    Tell me how you would ensure that terrorists could not take down a plane without invading people's privacy who would board that plane.

    And tell me how would YOU ensure that it would most definitely be prevented? Think we're the only smart motherfuckers in the world? If they wanted to bring something on the plane and they find another way to do it, all this X-ray scanning would be pretty much null and void and you just violated 40 million passengers in process. Apparently you're having trouble reading because I NEVER said people shouldn't be scanned.

    I'm apparently uninformed how that can be done.

    Ain't all you're 'apparently uninformed' either.
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    Post by Supernova Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:14 am

    The other day somebody made a point of Israel has faaaaaaaaaar less crazy procedures to check everybody out for flights and they don't have as many problems with terrorists or whatever...now since they're a land that's so hated and has so many enemies, you have to wonder then how they can be so lax in their airport security and they DON'T have bombers and hijackers coming out of their ears.

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