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Obviously most porn is in no way 'artful,' but do you think that pornography can even have the potential to be considered art?
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Can pornography be art?
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No.
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What kind of pornography? I think that some art is labeled pornographic by some people, but porn movies??
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It would depend on how it's defined. Some people consider nudity to be pornographic. But it can definitely be artistic.
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IMO porn is the complete antithesis of art because of how blatant it is. Art is supposed to make the viewer think or interpret, porn doesn't do that at all. It caters to the most shallow aspect of a persons mind by giving them the explicit bottom line. Cheesy though it may be, the soft core porn you see at night on Cinemax is more "artful" than hardcore XXX porn because the simulation makes viewers think.
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Well according to the legal definition of pornography (or obscenity), I think not. But at a basic level, I would say yes. If you are filming, drawing, or photographing something happening (in this case people having sex), then I argue it is art in a sense. After all, photography, drawing, and film are all arts, are they not?
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I guess it would depend on how pornography is determined. I mean Michelangelo's David is totally naked and considered one of the greatest works of art, so if you take pornography to be only nakedness then yes, it can be an art form. For the most part, though, I'd say no, it's not.
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It has been pointed out already that it depends on the definition of pornography. Then you have to consider what comes to mind with the word "porn" Some ppl immediately think of sex films or DVDs. Others might think of stories (the actual origin of the word - pornography - or the writings of prostitutes)Chris wrote:Obviously most porn is in no way 'artful,' but do you think that pornography can even have the potential to be considered art?
But most definitely beautiful art, in many media come under someone's definition of porn.
Hope I don't get in trouble for posting a porn pic:
Yes, September Morn was considered pornographic in 1913 by Anthony Comstock, a guy with body issues.
A little history:
When Anthony Comstock, self-styled keeper of the keys of U. S. morals blasted Paul Chabas' "September Morn", a painting of a young sixteen year old French Blonde standing nude in the shoreline waters of Lake Annecy near Switzerland, by calling it "lewd and indecent" in 1913, little did he know then that some day this sought-after masterpiece would hang in the galleries of the New York Metropolitan Museum. Nor did he think then that this gem would be valued at $30,000. Comstock said that Chabas was corrupting the morals of the world, and that there was "too little morn and too much maid."
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It's easy to present a clear definition of the two. Art exists to provide visual aesthetic enjoyment while pornography exists for visual sexual enjoyment.
However, as these two things aren't mutually exclusive, you're bound to get some overlap. How can you separate art from porn when you also have pornographic art?
To put it another way, if you're trying to separate round things from red things, what do you do when you find something that's both round and red? No matter how clearly defined these properties are, the fact that they aren't mutually exclusive means that it's impossible to separate the two in all cases.
However, as these two things aren't mutually exclusive, you're bound to get some overlap. How can you separate art from porn when you also have pornographic art?
To put it another way, if you're trying to separate round things from red things, what do you do when you find something that's both round and red? No matter how clearly defined these properties are, the fact that they aren't mutually exclusive means that it's impossible to separate the two in all cases.
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The only guy I know who thought that it could be artful was a sick individual in one of my novels. 
But no, it isn't art. It's just deviance.
But no, it isn't art. It's just deviance.
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There is soft porn that is more artful.
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I kinda prefer HARD porn myself.Tony Marino wrote:There is soft porn that is more artful.
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Shale wrote:I kinda prefer HARD porn myself.Tony Marino wrote:There is soft porn that is more artful.
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I have another question, but don't feel it necessary to start a whole new thread about it.
What do you think the difference between Pornography and Erotica is?
Are they one and the same, or can they be mutually exclusive? My perception is that Pornography seems to be very blatant, "in your face" and with no holds barred, so to speak. Erotica, on the other hand, tends to be more of a teasing nature.
What do you think the difference between Pornography and Erotica is?
Are they one and the same, or can they be mutually exclusive? My perception is that Pornography seems to be very blatant, "in your face" and with no holds barred, so to speak. Erotica, on the other hand, tends to be more of a teasing nature.
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Chris wrote:...What do you think the difference between Pornography and Erotica is?
Are they one and the same, or can they be mutually exclusive? My perception is that Pornography seems to be very blatant, "in your face" and with no holds barred, so to speak. Erotica, on the other hand, tends to be more of a teasing nature.
That would be my differentiation.
I find this pic erotic:
In fact, wish it was a better quality foto because it is one of my more successful erotic poses. This was made for publication with an article "Ageing and Attraction to Youth" and is suggestive only. That very shoot, Raul and I did a series of porno pics playing around full frontal.
Now, to show how subjective it is, some ppl would think that porno because it is two guys being intimate (and the fact that one guy is twice the age of the other) but may not consider it porn if it were a young woman in the embrace.
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^ Interesting Shale. Funny how times are changing, I think it's just been in the last fifteen years that male full frontal nudity hasn't been rated past 'R.' Back in the late 80s and early 90s, it was enough to get a movie a 'NC-17' rating, and before that it was an automatic 'X.'
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I think porn films are absolutely art. While the subject matter is off-putting to some, that doesn't take away from the fact that a porn flick is the end result of the creative process of a group of individuals.
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what is the difference between pornographic and obscene?
Isn't obscenity something that holds no redeeming value to most people or something like that?
Isn't obscenity something that holds no redeeming value to most people or something like that?
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RedBedroom wrote:I think porn films are absolutely art. While the subject matter is off-putting to some, that doesn't take away from the fact that a porn flick is the end result of the creative process of a group of individuals.
Nicely put. I totally agree. I was wrestling with the idea of whether or not pornography could be considered art, but your quite dissertation pretty much sways me into thinking that it very well could be.
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