HomeSaw on Real Time a guy say that it didn't make sense for people who're opposed to abortion also being opposed to birth control. I'm not in favor of abortion (but I wouldn't be in favor of repealing the law) but ITA with him on the point. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be anti-abortion AND anti-contraceptive at the same time. The women who are likely to abort IMO should be encouraged to use BC. What do you think about pro life advocates being against the use of birth control? Contradiction?
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Anybody who thinks outside the box can see that it's not a contradiction. I'm really surprised that people really cannot see that far outside of their views to understand that. If being FOR both isn't a contradiction, than neither is being against both. The fact is that this is just another excuse to slander Pro-Lifers and grasp at straws to defend the indefensible. 
(And Real Time, that's that Bill Maher guy right? Yeah, I trust any guy that he'd put on the air. lol)
So no, it's not a contradiction. Anybody who says it is, they're wrong.
Disagree with the views if you like, but get off the "it's a contradiction" soapbox. (And also remember that I don't think anybody is seeking to outlaw contraception, it's purely a moral view of the things. In other words, should abortion be illegal, contraception would still be legal, and would stay that way.)
(And Real Time, that's that Bill Maher guy right? Yeah, I trust any guy that he'd put on the air. lol) So no, it's not a contradiction. Anybody who says it is, they're wrong.
Disagree with the views if you like, but get off the "it's a contradiction" soapbox. (And also remember that I don't think anybody is seeking to outlaw contraception, it's purely a moral view of the things. In other words, should abortion be illegal, contraception would still be legal, and would stay that way.) 
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femme fatale wrote:Saw on Real Time a guy say that it didn't make sense for people who're opposed to abortion also being opposed to birth control. I'm not in favor of abortion (but I wouldn't be in favor of repealing the law) but ITA with him on the point. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be anti-abortion AND anti-contraceptive at the same time. The women who are likely to abort IMO should be encouraged to use BC. What do you think about pro life advocates being against the use of birth control? Contradiction?
It not a contradiction, it's just stupid. I agree with you. Both men and women should use contraceptives if they want to avoid having children, but thing happens and I still believe abortion is a woman's choice and no one should intervene.
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tmontyb wrote:femme fatale wrote:Saw on Real Time a guy say that it didn't make sense for people who're opposed to abortion also being opposed to birth control. I'm not in favor of abortion (but I wouldn't be in favor of repealing the law) but ITA with him on the point. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be anti-abortion AND anti-contraceptive at the same time. The women who are likely to abort IMO should be encouraged to use BC. What do you think about pro life advocates being against the use of birth control? Contradiction?
It not a contradiction, it's just stupid. I agree with you. Both men and women should use contraceptives if they want to avoid having children, but thing happens and I still believe abortion is a woman's choice and no one should intervene.
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You would think that someone who is against abortion would champion contraception, but they think that's murder too. Prolifers don't want anything tampering with what their church believes is the "the natural order". That's why they're against both abortion and birth control. They believe that sex should only happen in marriage and that every time a married couple copulates, they should welcome the chance of a baby coming from it. In other words, pro-lifers think this is reality...
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Impact wrote:You would think that someone who is against abortion would champion contraception, but they think that's murder too. Prolifers don't want anything tampering with what their church believes is the "the natural order". That's why they're against both abortion and birth control. They believe that sex should only happen in marriage and that every time a married couple copulates, they should welcome the chance of a baby coming from it. In other words, pro-lifers think this is reality...
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femme fatale wrote:Saw on Real Time a guy say that it didn't make sense for people who're opposed to abortion also being opposed to birth control. I'm not in favor of abortion (but I wouldn't be in favor of repealing the law) but ITA with him on the point. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be anti-abortion AND anti-contraceptive at the same time. The women who are likely to abort IMO should be encouraged to use BC. What do you think about pro life advocates being against the use of birth control? Contradiction?
It's definitely what I'd call taking it to an extreme, scratch that, an extremist extreme.
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Most of the time it's just religiosity. There are some people who actually believe sex is only for procreation. If they want to practice this in their own lives, good luck to them. But leave the rest of us alone.
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CeCe wrote:Most of the time it's just religiosity. There are some people who actually believe sex is only for procreation. If they want to practice this in their own lives, good luck to them. But leave the rest of us alone.
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Well, when I butt-fuck Raul we don't worry about contraception or abortion. Guess we would make an ideal Catholic couple.
(However, we do use condoms)
(However, we do use condoms)
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Shale wrote:Well, when I butt-fuck Raul we don't worry about contraception or abortion. Guess we would make an ideal Catholic couple.
(However, we do use condoms)
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CeCe wrote:Most of the time it's just religiosity. There are some people who actually believe sex is only for procreation. If they want to practice this in their own lives, good luck to them. But leave the rest of us alone.
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Whoa, calm down Pope! The OP was simply asking a question, not making a declaration and made no indication that they were pro-choice either. She specifically said "I'm not in favor of abortion", so nobody is "slandering" pro-lifers.Forgiveness Man wrote:Anybody who thinks outside the box can see that it's not a contradiction. I'm really surprised that people really cannot see that far outside of their views to understand that. If being FOR both isn't a contradiction, than neither is being against both. The fact is that this is just another excuse to slander Pro-Lifers and grasp at straws to defend the indefensible.
So no, it's not a contradiction. Anybody who says it is, they're wrong.
And what's not to "trust"? It was a random guy with an opinion. You don't trust opinions? 
What about Glen Beck? He has "opinions" too! You're right, such a position is not necessarily a contradiction, IT'S JUST STUPID! Outside of religious reasons, there is really no logical reasons to promote NOT using birth control. I personally feel that it is immoral to suggest to people that they shouldn't use birth control, but that abortion is also not an option. You have the right to disagree, but RELIGION cannot logically justify a secular "morality" argument.
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Forgiveness Man wrote:Anybody who thinks outside the box can see that it's not a contradiction. I'm really surprised that people really cannot see that far outside of their views to understand that. If being FOR both isn't a contradiction, than neither is being against both. The fact is that this is just another excuse to slander Pro-Lifers and grasp at straws to defend the indefensible.
So no, it's not a contradiction. Anybody who says it is, they're wrong.
I take it you're not a fan of Bill Maher, huh FM?
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Shale wrote:Well, when I butt-fuck Raul we don't worry about contraception or abortion. Guess we would make an ideal Catholic couple.
(However, we do use condoms)
If one half of a Catholic couple became HIV positive from a transfusion, is it the Church’s stance that condoms are still prohibited to help prevent exposure to their spouse?
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alan smithee wrote:Shale wrote:Well, when I butt-fuck Raul we don't worry about contraception or abortion. Guess we would make an ideal Catholic couple.
(However, we do use condoms)
If one half of a Catholic couple became HIV positive from a transfusion, is it the Church’s stance that condoms are still prohibited to help prevent exposure to their spouse?
Actually, didn't the Pope make an exception to the anti-condom stance for that reason?
Don't know if it was an official Church reversal or if he said God would turn his head in such cases.
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Re: Being anti-abortion AND anti-contraceptive
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Chris wrote:I take it you're not a fan of Bill Maher, huh FM?
Nah, I don't trust zealots.
@ Bryce: Pope? That's not an even a creative insult.
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Who said it was an "insult"Forgiveness Man wrote:@ Bryce: Pope? That's not an even a creative insult.
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