How would you react to your child being transgender?

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(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:This thread is terrible. Really says a lot.

I just keep thinking about all my friends who are currently in transition and how seriously they take this. And how inconsiderate, hurtful and selfish their parents are.

And to think that some of the people in this thread are similar to the ones who tried to force them into boxes they never wanted to be in. No, it's not "normal" to be born into a body you don't feel is you. But gender is so much more complicated than Barbies and Easy Bake Ovens and Tonkas. That's so not what it's about. It's about what people identify as and who they are.

LOL. Gender is that much more complicated? How do you know you're supposed to be a woman when you've never BEEN a woman? How do you know you're supposed to be a man when you've never BEEN man? No dear. Don't try and make it seem like they were born into the wrong body and they 'know' it's not normal. Societal interpretations of what gender is is exactly what transgender people identify with and try to emulate. It's not something that's innate. You can't feel like the opposite gender when you never been one. And even after all of that, why go through all this unnecessary hormonal transition when you will NEVER, EVER, EVER be an official member of the opposite gender? If you were born male, you will ALWAYS be male. If you were born a female, you will ALWAYS be female. And that is a FACT that cannot be disputed.

Love your children for who they are. And who they will grow up to become. They aren't hurting anybody.

Nystyle709 wrote:

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:This thread is terrible. Really says a lot.

I just keep thinking about all my friends who are currently in transition and how seriously they take this. And how inconsiderate, hurtful and selfish their parents are.

And to think that some of the people in this thread are similar to the ones who tried to force them into boxes they never wanted to be in. No, it's not "normal" to be born into a body you don't feel is you. But gender is so much more complicated than Barbies and Easy Bake Ovens and Tonkas. That's so not what it's about. It's about what people identify as and who they are.

LOL. Gender is that much more complicated? How do you know you're supposed to be a woman when you've never BEEN a woman? How do you know you're supposed to be a man when you've never BEEN man? No dear. Don't try and make it seem like they were born into the wrong body and they 'know' it's not normal. Societal interpretations of what gender is is exactly what transgender people identify with and try to emulate. It's not something that's innate. You can't feel like the opposite gender when you never been one. And even after all of that, why go through all this unnecessary hormonal transition when you will NEVER, EVER, EVER be an official member of the opposite gender? If you were born male, you will ALWAYS be male. If you were born a female, you will ALWAYS be female. And that is a FACT that cannot be disputed.

Love your children for who they are. And who they will grow up to become. They aren't hurting anybody.

Keyword. They're children. Which means I'm not going to let my son run around the house acting like a girl when he's not a girl and I'm not going to let my daughter run around acting like a boy when she's not a boy.

tmontyb wrote:

Nystyle709 wrote:

Keyword. They're children. Which means I'm not going to let my son run around the house acting like a girl when he's not a girl and I'm not going to let my daughter run around acting like a boy when she's not a boy.

IMO, I think "not letting" will only exacerbate things.

Societal interpretations of what gender is is exactly what transgender people identify with and try to emulate. It's not something that's innate.

Nystyle709 wrote:
...If you were born a female, you will ALWAYS be female. And that is a FACT that cannot be disputed.

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:Nystyle, honestly... This invalidated your argument to me:

Societal interpretations of what gender is is exactly what transgender people identify with and try to emulate. It's not something that's innate.

Because you're not transgendered. I think that's a pretty ... simplistic and bitter view of it. I don't think you really have a great understanding of sexuality if you can brush it off like it's dust on your shoulder.

Open your mind.

Shale wrote:

Nystyle709 wrote:
...If you were born a female, you will ALWAYS be female. And that is a FACT that cannot be disputed.

I believe that was the accepted view before DNA was mapped.

Nystyle709 wrote:

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:Nystyle, honestly... This invalidated your argument to me:



Because you're not transgendered. I think that's a pretty ... simplistic and bitter view of it. I don't think you really have a great understanding of sexuality if you can brush it off like it's dust on your shoulder.

Open your mind.

Okay Frued, so explain how it is. Simple question: if you've never been a man or a woman, explain how you know what being a man or a woman feels like. I'm not going to take anything you say seriously unless you explain your position.

Nystyle709 wrote:

Shale wrote:
I believe that was the accepted view before DNA was mapped.

So you're telling me that you can literally change you biological DNA? Explain. I'm all ears.

Shale wrote:

Nystyle709 wrote:

So you're telling me that you can literally change you biological DNA? Explain. I'm all ears.

No ur not, I suspect you could care less.

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:This thread is terrible. Really says a lot.

I just keep thinking about all my friends who are currently in transition and how seriously they take this. And how inconsiderate, hurtful and selfish their parents are.

And to think that some of the people in this thread are similar to the ones who tried to force them into boxes they never wanted to be in. No, it's not "normal" to be born into a body you don't feel is you. But gender is so much more complicated than Barbies and Easy Bake Ovens and Tonkas. That's so not what it's about. It's about what people identify as and who they are.

Love your children for who they are. And who they will grow up to become. They aren't hurting anybody.

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:I just don't think that gender and sexuality are that black and white. I mean, everything in this world is so complicated and intricate, and I don't think that you can be make general statements about the way a person feels. There's no real way to capitalize on something like that. Sometimes things can't be put into words because they can't truly be explained or figured due to their complex nature.

But your heated, angry reaction to Shale's and my challenging your position makes me think that you're like a lot of people in America. Transsexuality is something that's rarely discussed, so you fear it a little. Because it doesn't fit into your acceptable, perfect box of the way people should live their lives.

Shale wrote:
No ur not, I suspect you could care less.

But I was refering to the fact that things are not always what they appear. You do know there is hermaphrotism - part of god's perfect plan I suppose. In the past they took their best guess in assigning a gender. "Is that a penis or a clit?" Flip a coin - make it a ____.

Now they don't cut so readily because some of those girls they assigned started growing beards later and the boys grew breasts. Now they can check the X & Y and get a better idea but it is not always so black and white as that. Gender difference is not always so discernable, which is why I respect the self-identity ppl FEEL they are, even if their outward body is not the same.

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:Yeah. With that kind of attitude, you'll never admit any sort of wrong or fault in anything you've said. You're as stubborn as they come. Except that when you state your own opinion, it's with legitimate malice.

I think you just like being a contrarian. And you like the attention.

Yep, that's it. I like pissing you off. I say shit JUST to piss you off. Gives me a rush.

I'm going to say this you and to everybody else reading this post: if you don't like what Nystyle709 has to say, you don't like how I come across, you don't like the fact that speak my mind without any regards whatsoever to who likes it and who doesn't.....TOUGH. I can't help you. The way I see it, you got two options. Filter me or .....well, that's pretty X-rated. But you know where I'm going with it.

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:If you're a parent, I think one ought to make an effort. Rather than just say "This is wrong" and throw their hands up in the air.

And I do strongly believe that it's because people are ignorant about the topic. People fear/hate the unknown.

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:I see what you are saying. But my standpoint is made of what I know and what I've seen others close to me go through. My hypothesis is that people are ignorant, and that they fear what it is they are ignorant about.

Regardless, it's damaging to the well-being of anybody who is already so lost in their identity.

RedBedroom wrote:

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:I see what you are saying. But my standpoint is made of what I know and what I've seen others close to me go through. My hypothesis is that people are ignorant, and that they fear what it is they are ignorant about.

Regardless, it's damaging to the well-being of anybody who is already so lost in their identity.

Thank you for seemingly understanding where I come from on this. I don't really think that it is fear or ignorance that lead anyone here to say what they did on the topic. "Ignorance" has a negative connotation, though I do appreciate that your use most likely pertains to a lack of knowledge on the specific subject at hand.

And if your use of "ignorance" is pertaining to those with a lack of knowledge on this subject, then that is me. I would like nothing more than to raise my hand in saying I would be the textbook perfect Mom to a child who came to me with his transgendered issues. But that would be a lie to you because I have a pre-teen son who is seemingly heterosexual. So, truly, I don't need to think about it in my own back yard. And because it is such a polarizing issue, I can and will view it in terms of my own back yard.

Yet I don't disrespect as I do recognize that transgendered people are not wrong, or invalid, or unimportant. The largest deficit here is that they are so unnumbered that lay persons, in general, will not be convinced of the real issues with this topic.

(Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:I don't like most of what you say. I never have. Hence why I've been contesting it.

Duh.