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    Has Jane Fonda earned a place in the Top 100 Years of Great Women?

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    Rant Has Jane Fonda earned a place in the Top 100 Years of Great Women?

    Post by zthatzmanz28 Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:51 pm

    Personally, I thought all the hoopla was over and most everyone was in agreement that Hanoi Jane was persona non grata except for Ted Turner. Now I hear she is being considered as one of the women to be featured in 100 years of great women.

    I find this recognition rather disgusting. Just in case anyone is unfamilar with Hanoi Jane's past---
    Here is a bit of history going around face book---

    Barbara Walters on Jane Fonda.
    Many do not know this truth... and also because she was on TV 3 times this week talking about her new book... and how good she feels in her 70's... she still does not know what she did wrong.. her book just may not make the best list if more people knew... Barbara Walters said: Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms. I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now. She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century." (I remember this well) For those who served and/or died. . .
    NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!! and now President OBAMA wants to honor her......!!!! In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [Famous North Vietnam Prison] IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!! A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED. KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.
    Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.' BARBRA WALTERS WRITES: Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
    In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.' Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.
    In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the ' Hanoi Hilton'...the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.
    They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat..
    At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper... Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day. I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
    I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi . My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs) We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....' When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'
    Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me. These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....
    '100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget. RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343 PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE.
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    Rant Re: Has Jane Fonda earned a place in the Top 100 Years of Great Women?

    Post by Shale Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:37 pm

    I ran this by Snopes and it is basically, provably FALSE.

    I tried to copy a snippet but they have it blocked somehow. So you will just have to scroll down to the part where ppl have testified that it did not happen as that Web message claims.


    http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

    It even brings up the despicable things that Hanoi Jane did do on camera and her belief (which was not a minority view by the end of that unnecessary war) that we should not have been there decimating the country and brutalizing its inhabitants to support the corrupt governments of the South.

    So for that she should not be considered for any award for greatness, but she is a decent actor and entitled to her opinions like anyone else. I don't think she is any worse than Mel Gibson.
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    Rant Re: Has Jane Fonda earned a place in the Top 100 Years of Great Women?

    Post by Bluesmama Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:42 pm

    She is ~ or was ~ a great actress, and it's too bad that she's been so inactive in movie for so long. And she had a lot of influence in the fitness world. But I don't think it's enough to merit being one of the 100 Great Women.

    As for her Hanoi debacle, she probably should have been thrown into prison for treason.
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    Post by Shale Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:47 pm

    Bluesmama wrote: ...As for her Hanoi debacle, she should have been thrown into prison for treason. ...

    Did you read the Snopes debunk of the bunk?
    http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

    The first post is full of bogus information. If you are referring to the stuff she actually did, then yes, it is not admirable, but also not worthy of arrest. First Amendment goes a long way protecting freedom of expression.
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    Post by Alan Smithee Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:13 am

    http://www.26thmarines.org/janefonda.html

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1326

    From the last:

    As evidenced by some of the quotes above, Fonda visited American prisoners of war and reported (falsely) that they had not been tortured. Consider the account of Michael Benge, a civilian advisor captured by the NLF in 1968 and held as a POW for five years, who writes:

    “When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as ‘humane and lenient.’ Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel re-bar placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped.”

    Former POW David Hoffman, whose plane was shot down over North Vietnam in 1971, also says that he was tortured because of Fonda’s visit to Hanoi:

    “The torture resulted in a permanent injury that plagues me to this day,” explains Hoffman, whose arm is now disfigured because of the brutal treatment he received from communist guards at his POW camp. “When Jane Fonda turned up, she asked that some of us come out and talk with her. No one wanted to. The guards got very upset, because they sensed the propaganda value of a famous American war protestor proving how well they were treating us. A couple of guards came to my cell and ordered me out. I resisted, and they got violently angry. My arm had been broken when I was shot down, and the Vietnamese broke it a second time. It had not healed well, and they knew it caused me great pain. They twisted it. Excruciating pain ripped through my body. Still I resisted and they got more violent, hitting me and shouting, ‘You must go!’…I was dragged out to see Fonda. I decided to play the role. I knew if I didn’t, not only would I suffer -- but the other guys would be tortured or beaten or worse.”

    When Fonda returned to the U.S., she told college students, “I bring greetings from our Vietnamese brothers and sisters,” and she lamented the war damage that she had seen in North Vietnam -- inflicted, she said, by U.S. forces. She also sported a necklace given to her by the North Vietnamese Communists, made from the melted parts of a U.S. aircraft they had shot down.

    Whenever stories about POWs getting tortured emerged, Fonda called them lies. When the POWs began coming home in 1973 and their accounts of torture began to gain credence, Fonda called the returning soldiers “liars, hypocrites, and pawns.” "Tortured men do not march smartly off planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives," she said. "They are liars. I also want to say that these men are not heroes."

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    Post by Alan Smithee Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:15 am

    Shale wrote:

    Did you read the Snopes debunk of the bunk?
    http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

    The first post is full of bogus information. If you are referring to the stuff she actually did, then yes, it is not admirable, but also not worthy of arrest. First Amendment goes a long way protecting freedom of expression.

    It's also not worthy of celebrating her as "great".

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