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    Post by Chris Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:22 am

    http://www.xtra.ca/public/Toronto/Rainbows_banned_at_Mississauga_Catholic_school-10262.aspx

    Rainbows banned at Mississauga Catholic school
    NEWS / Students stopped from donating cupcake money to LGBT Youth Line
    Andrea Houston / Toronto / Tuesday, June 07, 2011



    Despite a ban on any rainbows at the St Joseph Catholic Secondary School anti-homophobia event June 3, the student organizers found a creative way to get their message across: hiding rainbows inside the cupcakes.

    Leanne Iskander, 16, who founded the school’s “unofficial” gay-straight alliance in March, tells Xtra the Dufferin-Peel Catholic School Board put the kibosh on displaying any rainbows at their information booth.

    “We brought signs and posters with rainbows, and we were told that we can’t put them up,” says Iskander, who was recently named the 2011 honoured dyke and youth grand marshal. “They said rainbows are associated with Pride. There’s so many other things that a rainbow could be. It’s ridiculous.”

    The teacher who delivered the news told Iskander the decision came from the board. “The board wasn’t there, but they knew about the event,” she says.

    Since rainbows couldn’t be displayed openly and proudly, the students baked rainbows into the cupcakes by dying the batter in a rainbow of colours. The cupcakes were sold for 50 cents each, raising about $200 for charity.

    But the students couldn’t donate the money to any gay, lesbian or trans charitable organization, such as the LGBT Youth Line. “We asked if we could donate to the money to the Youth Line and the board said no. We were told to donate to Covenant House, a Catholic homeless shelter.”

    Bruce Campbell, spokesperson for the board, could not be reached for comment.

    Casey Oraa, chair of the political action committee for Queer Ontario (QO), has been supporting the students since they first submitted the GSA proposal. He says the rejection of the rainbow flag and the board’s insistence on benefiting a Catholic charity rather than one chosen by the students proves administrators have no interest in diversity.

    QO supplied the students with several materials for the event, but many were rejected by the board, including the Ontario Secondary School Teachers' Federation’s Shout Out Against Homophobia, Biphobia, Transphobia and Heterosexism, a booklet designed to educate young people on issues relating to sexual orientation and gender identity; an AIDS Committee of Toronto flyer; and information on trans health, he says.

    “We proposed a whole bunch of resources and only about four got approved, and the ones that were approved were censored,” Iskander says. “They wouldn’t let us have this one booklet because it had one or two sentences on safe sex.”

    Oraa says it’s absurd to ban the rainbow flag, but it’s completely in keeping with the Catholic board’s treatment of queer students.

    “The Catholic board gave the students a carrot to try to silence them when they announced the anti-bullying clubs. But it’s not enough and it’s not meeting the needs of youth,” Oraa says. “The students recognize that and they are fighting for what they want.”

    “Nothing the schools do surprises me anymore. Not allowing the rainbow flag? They have no concept of diversity. [The board] is pushing back because Leanne is a problem for the school. She’s also a problem for Catholic school boards and the Ministry of Education. Leanne’s a problem in the best possible way, even more than she even realizes. It’s fantastic she’s a problem.”

    GSAs started making headlines in January after Xtra reported a ban on the student clubs by the Halton Catholic District School Board. Board chair Alice Anne LeMay told Xtra then that the board “doesn’t allow Nazi groups either. Gay-straight alliances are banned because they are not within the teachings of the Catholic Church.”

    In February, Xtra revealed there are no GSAs at any Ontario Catholic school. Then, in April, all Ontario Catholic boards were instructed to allow “anti-bullying groups,” but a silent ban remains on all student groups focused on gay, lesbian and trans issues and group names can’t contain the word gay. GSAs are prohibited because “they lead to activism.”


    Iskander has already announced that the group plans to bring their fight to Toronto’s Pride parade this year under the newly formed, student-led, student-driven contingent dubbed Catholic Students for GSAs.

    Principal Frances Jacques doesn’t want the students telling everyone at Pride what school they attend. “She’s actually fine with it, she just doesn’t want [Pride] connected to the school, so we can’t say the school name or anything,” Iskander says.

    Iskander says it’s more important to get the message out. To do that, the group plans to make buttons. Iskander is now appealing to the community for donations to raise about $1,500.

    "Marching in Pride is important to us because it will allow us to advocate for GSAs in Catholic Schools to a large audience,” she says. “Handing out buttons will be an excellent way to spread the message that GSAs are needed in Catholic schools."

    Oraa says Queer Ontario will continue to support the youth throughout the summer to advocate for GSAs in all Ontario secondary schools.

    “The buttons are important as another way to spread the message and show solidarity for the cause across Ontario,” he says. “Some people think by now allowing the anti-bullying clubs, the issue is over. But it’s not. The youth want to hand these buttons out to their fellow students, public or Catholic.”
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:45 am

    If you don't like Catholic School Policy, go somewhere else. Simple as that. Razz It's not rocket science people.
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    Post by Marc™ Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:04 am

    They banned rainbows?

    LMAO!

    Was it THAT deep? I guess a bag a skittles would get a student detention for a week.
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    Post by (Oh!) Rob Petrie Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:06 am

    Forgiveness Man wrote:If you don't like Catholic School Policy, go somewhere else. Simple as that. Razz It's not rocket science people.

    Their parents are likely forcing them to go.
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    Post by CeCe Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:09 am

    Marc™️ wrote:They banned rainbows?

    LMAO!

    Was it THAT deep? I guess a bag a skittles would get a student detention for a week.

    ROFLMAO! Seriously!

    But they say "don't call it homophobia. We're not scared." Banning rainbows. Really? blank stare @ you
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:11 am

    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:Their parents are likely forcing them to go.

    Welcome to the life of being a minor. You don't always get your way. When you're all grown up, then you choose what schools you go to. Smile Until then, respect school policy.
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    Post by (Oh!) Rob Petrie Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:18 am

    I think that if you're forced to be somewhere, you should be allowed to contest rules. Otherwise no progress is made.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:29 am

    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:I think that if you're forced to be somewhere, you should be allowed to contest rules. Otherwise no progress is made.

    If we were talking about adults, yes. But when you're a minor, you don't have any rights to contest rules on your own. Kids would contest a lot of school policies if they could, I am sure. The parents are choosing to send their kids here. Kids go where their parents send them. And let's not pretend like this is about progress. Kids aren't interested in progress. They are interested in feel-good rules that conform to what they want to do. If a school tells you that the fund raiser you're running through them cannot go to a specific organization, you listen. And hell, if their rules prohibit rainbows, use something else. The rule may sound silly but the kids are validating it. (As does this article) It sucks being a kid doesn't it? We've all had to do it.
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    Post by (Oh!) Rob Petrie Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:36 am

    You have a very restrictive view about childhood and adolescence. It's disturbing, really.

    I don't believe that rights start at age 18. 15 and 16 year olds are quite capable carrying out the serious cognitive process. And successful contesting points they find to be egregious -- and doing it in a respectful manner. When you're an adult, you have a choice. You can choose where you go to school. You can choose with whom you associate. If your parent forces you into a situation that you find offensive or inappropriate, you most certainly have that right to question. And be vocal about it. Otherwise, you don't learn.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:46 am

    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:You have a very restrictive view about childhood and adolescence. It's disturbing, really.

    I don't believe that rights start at age 18. 15 and 16 year olds are quite capable carrying out the serious cognitive process. And successful contesting points they find to be egregious -- and doing it in a respectful manner. When you're an adult, you have a choice. You can choose where you go to school. You can choose with whom you associate. If your parent forces you into a situation that you find offensive or inappropriate, you most certainly have that right to question. And be vocal about it. Otherwise, you don't learn.

    It's not restrictive at all. It's more practical. If kids want to be able to call the shots, they better be willing to put their money where their mouth is. If this were a public school, they'd have a case. It's not. It's a private institution. I think it's more disturbing how people think private institutions are supposed to bow to the wishes of kids when it's a certain issue. We're not talking about rights here. You don't have a right to do whatever you want through the school. You can question all you want. But the school is a privately run operation and have every right to tell you "Request Denied." This isn't about the kids learning and we all know it. They aren't being forced to DO anything. They are merely being told that they can't use school functions to do whatever they want. If we want these kids to truly learn, then teaching them that you don't always get your way is a good lesson. When they are adults, they can go to a nice liberal college who will sanction their activities. Until then, they gotta learn to respect the rules of a private institution that their parents are perfectly free to walk away from.
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    Post by (Oh!) Rob Petrie Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:48 am

    You just missed my point.

    The parents can walk away, but they don't have to deal with the restrictions the school places on their children. It's the children who have to deal with it. Private or not.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:52 am

    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:You just missed my point.

    The parents can walk away, but they don't have to deal with the restrictions the school places on their children. It's the children who have to deal with it. Private or not.

    I saw your point. Your point is just irrelevant. Yes, the kids have to deal with it. That's life. It's a private institution and they have every right to tell the kids that they can't do something through them. Learning that you don't always get your way is a lesson more important than anything these kids are trying to forward.
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    Post by CeCe Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:52 am

    I love what they did. Brilliant!
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    Post by (Oh!) Rob Petrie Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:54 am

    Forgiveness Man wrote:
    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:You just missed my point.

    The parents can walk away, but they don't have to deal with the restrictions the school places on their children. It's the children who have to deal with it. Private or not.

    I saw your point. Your point is just irrelevant. Yes, the kids have to deal with it. That's life. It's a private institution and they have every right to tell the kids that they can't do something through them. Learning that you don't always get your way is a lesson more important than anything these kids are trying to forward.

    That's a lesson you learn at age three when you don't win enough tickets at the arcade for a teddy bear.

    It's more important to learn that you if your life sucks, you change it. And you don't stop until it changes.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:06 pm

    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:
    Forgiveness Man wrote:

    I saw your point. Your point is just irrelevant. Yes, the kids have to deal with it. That's life. It's a private institution and they have every right to tell the kids that they can't do something through them. Learning that you don't always get your way is a lesson more important than anything these kids are trying to forward.

    That's a lesson you learn at age three when you don't win enough tickets at the arcade for a teddy bear.

    It's more important to learn that you if your life sucks, you change it. And you don't stop until it changes.

    Clearly if they learned that lesson at age 3, they wouldn't be acting like they still are that age.

    Your life sucks? You can't put up a rainbow for the school bake sale and you call that life sucking? Yeah, America has it really good. If you want to change your life, do it. But you don't do it by breaking the rules of your privately run school. You don't have a right to do what you want through somebody else's privately run institution. The sooner these kids learn that, the sooner they can change their lives. This is a Catholic school and that means it's gonna have rules. If you don't like it, talk to your parents until they put you somewhere else. You don't have a right to break their rules just because you have decided that you don't like them.

    These kids were in the wrong. If they want to hold a big old rainbow bake sale, then they should do their OWN bake sale, separate from the school.
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    Post by (Oh!) Rob Petrie Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:10 pm

    Oi. Fine. I'll re-word it.

    If something in your life sucks, change it.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:14 pm

    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:Oi. Fine. I'll re-word it.

    If something in your life sucks, change it.

    And they should change it. If they don't like the rules of their privately run school, talk their parents into sending them to a DIFFERENT school. OR just do what they can't do during school, when they are NOT in school. (Gee, novel thought.) Schools have rules and you're not entitled to break them just because you don't like them (or in your terms, think they suck.), especially since this is not a public school but a private one.
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    Post by (Oh!) Rob Petrie Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:17 pm

    But they can't if their parents are forcing them to go! Circular argument.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:21 pm

    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:But they can't if their parents are forcing them to go! Circular argument.

    Not a circular argument at all. They CAN certainly do things to change it. They just gotta be a little smarter. Like do your bake sale AWAY from school! Or just wait a few years. Not being allowed to have a big ole rainbow bake sale is HARDLY the worst kind of bondage.

    It all comes back to the original point. When you're a minor, you got rules applied on you. You can't just do whatever you want. It's frankly just a case of tough tamales. When you're going to do something through your privately run school, you follow the rules. If you don't like it, do it somewhere else.
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    Post by (Oh!) Rob Petrie Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:25 pm

    You live in such a sad world.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:28 pm

    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:You live in such a sad world.

    It might be sad to people who think the world revolves around them. I like to call it reality. And it's a very happy world once you pull your head out of the sand. Smile
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    Post by (Oh!) Rob Petrie Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:29 pm

    I smell irony!
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:38 pm

    (Oh!) Rob Petrie wrote:I smell irony!

    That's probably just your cologne. Razz
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    Post by Impact Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:26 pm

    Just plain ridiculous.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:04 pm

    Marc™ wrote:They banned rainbows?

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    Was it THAT deep? I guess a bag a skittles would get a student detention for a week.

    LOL, for real. A rainbow can represent so many other things. It's a happy symbol.

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