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Chris Chamber Admin.
Join date : 2010-01-30 Location : Oak Park, Michigan Posts : 23201 Rep : 330
| Subject: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:56 am | |
| What do you think, should the U.S. follow Canada's lead with this? http://kdvr.com/2012/09/07/if-canada-bans-spanking-should-u-s-follow-suit/ - Quote :
- If Canada bans spanking, should U.S. follow suit?
Posted on: 5:32 am, September 7, 2012, by Will C. Holden, updated on: 05:37am, September 7, 2012
Should spanking be banned? Our neighbors to the north are considering it after barrage of new studies by certified medical journals.
The Toronto Glove and Mail is reporting that the “Canadian Medical Association Journal” has urged its country to ban the practice of spanking outright by changing legislation to make it illegal.
“I’m not sure the message has got out that regular physical punishment isn’t a good way to get kids to behave properly and can lead to later problems,” CMAJ editor-in-chief John Fletcher said. “It is time for Canada to remove this anachronistic excuse for poor parenting from the statute book.”
Fletcher cited a growing stack of evidence from his colleagues about spanking’s potential harms.
A 2010 study by “Pediatrics” magazine suggested spanking can lead to children acting aggressively. The University of Manitoba and the the Children’s Hospital of Eastern Ontario performed a study which researchers say proves spanked children are more likely to suffer from depression, anxiety, and substance abuse.
But spanking proponents point to one key part of the data in most of the Canadian studies. A researcher from the University of Manitoba said that the sort of physical altercation that tends to led to trouble involves involves “more than just a tap on the bum.”
Those who dismiss researchers’ claims about the harms of spanking say there’s a key difference between a mild swat and prolonged physical abuse.
What do you think? Did you turn out fine or did you have difficulties after being spanked as a child? Do you spank your children today? Why or why not? Do you think the U.S. should or should not consider a similar ban? | |
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Forgiveness Man …is a Chamber Royal.
Join date : 2010-06-25 Location : Chilling on your sofa Posts : 6657 Rep : 153
| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:54 am | |
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AtownPeep …is a Power Member.
Join date : 2010-01-31 Location : Atlanta, GA Posts : 1867 Rep : 39
| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:20 am | |
| No. | |
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Shale ...is a Chamber Royal.
Join date : 2010-09-27 Location : Miami Beach Posts : 9699 Rep : 219
| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:25 am | |
| No, and I think if they put it to a vote, the ppl of Canada would vote against it.
I was spanked on occasion, just like every other child of my generation. I wear a peace symbol tat today and don't consider myself particularly flawed or aggressive. And there were a bunch of 'flower children' of my gen who turned out the same way.
I think a spat on the butt is appropriate at times and it should not be criminalized. Abuse can be defined legally and children protected from that. Besides, psychological abuse is harder to document and that may be what replaces the physical smack on the butt.
I am leery of most scientific studies. I have lived long enuf to see many great ideas of a group of eggheads eventually gets debunked as pure crap.
Remember the 'scientists' of the 19th century sincerely said the masturbation was dangerous and would make one mentally impaired. They also had a thriving business inducing hysterical paroxisms in women by manipulating the vulva. (masturbation). | |
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Supernova The Book Chamber
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:25 am | |
| I have a friend in Canada and she has sounded off on the law they already have there about spanking which is you cannot spank teenagers because it is humiliating since they're not little kids anymore. But as far as I know she doesn't have a problem with parents spanking their younger unruly children. | |
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JM130ELM …is Necessary.
Join date : 2010-02-02 Location : Chicago Posts : 661 Rep : 32
| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:37 am | |
| What isn't banned in Canada? The country is turning into an overly liberal idealistic fairy tale land. | |
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Suzi …is a Power Member.
Join date : 2011-03-01 Location : BC, Canada Posts : 1529 Rep : 85
| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:20 pm | |
| They did that years ago the result is a bunch of really terrible teen aged brats. One fellow hubby worked with told his 14 year old daughter she couldn't leave the house at 10:00 at night, she told him "I'm going and if you try to stop me I will call the child welfare", those fools allowed her to threaten them and leave. I would have called her bluff , told her she was leaving over my dead body or hers, and to go pack her stuff so she would be ready to go when the child welfare people showed up! No way I would have allowed a kid of mine to pull that crap, law or no law. | |
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Supernova The Book Chamber
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:31 pm | |
| - Suzi wrote:
- They did that years ago the result is a bunch of really terrible teen aged brats. One fellow hubby worked with told his 14 year old daughter she couldn't leave the house at 10:00 at night, she told him "I'm going and if you try to stop me I will call the child welfare", those fools allowed her to threaten them and leave. I would have called her bluff , told her she was leaving over my dead body or hers, and to go pack her stuff so she would be ready to go when the child welfare people showed up! No way I would have allowed a kid of mine to pull that crap, law or no law.
Amen to that. If they think they're grown enough to play those games then they're grown enough to get a job and pay their own rent in their new home. | |
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Shale ...is a Chamber Royal.
Join date : 2010-09-27 Location : Miami Beach Posts : 9699 Rep : 219
| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:42 pm | |
| Yeah, if a teen is old enuf to pull that kind of shit they are old enuf to leave home. That is what my stepfather (an out of shape office worker) said to my stepbrother when he got defiant. The kid could have easily taken the old man, but he said as long as he was under his roof he lived by his rules and that he would call the cops and when the kid got out of jail would find someplace else to live.
If the state is going to interfere with the logical balance of power in a family, they had best be ready to take the miscreant kids and find other accommodations for them.
And, a smack on the butt is effective with little kids who don't always understand other forms of 'reason.' | |
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Suzi …is a Power Member.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:07 pm | |
| - Shale wrote:
- Yeah, if a teen is old enuf to pull that kind of shit they are old enuf to leave home. That is what my stepfather (an out of shape office worker) said to my stepbrother when he got defiant. The kid could have easily taken the old man, but he said as long as he was under his roof he lived by his rules and that he would call the cops and when the kid got out of jail would find someplace else to live.
If the state is going to interfere with the logical balance of power in a family, they had best be ready to take the miscreant kids and find other accommodations for them.
And, a smack on the butt is effective with little kids who don't always understand other forms of 'reason.' But Shale you just advocated total freedom for kids, can't have it both ways. | |
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Alan Smithee ...is a 20G Chamber DIETY.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:16 pm | |
| - Suzi wrote:
- They did that years ago the result is a bunch of really terrible teen aged brats. One fellow hubby worked with told his 14 year old daughter she couldn't leave the house at 10:00 at night, she told him "I'm going and if you try to stop me I will call the child welfare", those fools allowed her to threaten them and leave. I would have called her bluff , told her she was leaving over my dead body or hers, and to go pack her stuff so she would be ready to go when the child welfare people showed up! No way I would have allowed a kid of mine to pull that crap, law or no law.
Almost. I would have let her leave with the clothes on her back. Everything else is getting donated to charity. | |
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Suzi …is a Power Member.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:29 pm | |
| Yeah but when they start packing their own stuff it becomes real to them. | |
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Alan Smithee ...is a 20G Chamber DIETY.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:34 pm | |
| Yeah but I wouldn't call with a bluff of my own. | |
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Shale ...is a Chamber Royal.
Join date : 2010-09-27 Location : Miami Beach Posts : 9699 Rep : 219
| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:00 pm | |
| - Suzi wrote:
- But Shale you just advocated total freedom for kids, can't have it both ways.
If you're referring to this: "... I am a proponent of personal freedom, even for kids."
I didn't say total.
I give kids lots of leeway to express themselves, but in MY home they go by my rules - meaning curfew, schedules, chores, no smoking, no getting drunk -the usual things teens try to give you grief over. | |
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Tony Marino …is a Global Moderator.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:39 pm | |
| They have nothing better to concentrate on? | |
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Nystyle709 ...is a 20G Chamber DIETY.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:57 pm | |
| No the U.S. shouldn't. BEAT THAT ASS! | |
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Rainmaker …is an Up 'N Comer.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:39 am | |
| The bleeding hearts have gone too far. I hate to think about what they'll try and ban next. | |
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Suzi …is a Power Member.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:19 am | |
| Well I have to also say apparently discipline is frowned on in the US too, as I have seen parents swear at and call their kids the most vile names I assumed spanking was out there too since the parents seem so frustrated about discipline. Name calling is much more damaging that some swats on the butt. | |
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Marc™ …is a Chamber DEITY.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:55 am | |
| Not to hate on anybody that might be from Canada, but that country is becoming straight up kookish. They go too far out of their way to come off as so liberal and neighborly.
No the US shouldn't follow suit. Aside from universal healthcare, there isn't anything about Canada that I'd like the US to emulate. | |
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Alan Smithee ...is a 20G Chamber DIETY.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:38 am | |
| I have nothing against Canada. I still remember they hid some of our people in Iran in 1979. | |
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Suzi …is a Power Member.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:53 am | |
| - Marc™ wrote:
- Not to hate on anybody that might be from Canada, but that country is becoming straight up kookish. They go too far out of their way to come off as so liberal and neighborly.
No the US shouldn't follow suit. Aside from universal healthcare, there isn't anything about Canada that I'd like the US to emulate. Since you don't live here you have no clue. Canada has all the freedoms you have and then some, however we don't brag about them as much as you Americans do. Liberal? I guess you haven't noticed we have a right winger for a Prime Minister, and I for one am anxiously waiting for the next election so we can throw the bum out. He is trying to destroy Canada one right wing law after another, one oil pipeline after another, one campaign promise broken after another. The gloating when he eked out a majority was overwhelming! That is the one bad thing about Canada is that given a majority politicians turn into dictators until the next election.However the good thing about it is that everyone can see what crap they are pulling and can vote them out. The other thing I like about the Canadian electoral system is that we don't have 2 to 4 years of campaigning, the PM calls the election and they have 6 weeks to campaign then we vote. How refreshing it is to only have to listen to the spewing for 6 weeks. | |
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captainbryce …is a Power Member.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:56 pm | |
| I have no opinion. | |
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CatEyes10736 …is a Power Member.
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| Subject: Re: Canada considers banning spanking Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:01 pm | |
| Every 10 year old kid who plays with matches would love for this to come true I'm sure. | |
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