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PostSubject: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyThu Sep 13, 2012 3:26 am

I got into a debate with someone whose opinion is that it's everyone's civic duty to vote, regardless if they aren't thrilled with either candidate. My position is that if neither candidate speaks to me, and I'm unimpressed by both....then fuck it....neither deserves my vote and I'll just stay home on election day. I personally don't think I owe it to anyone to give out my vote like Skittles on Halloween, just because.

What do you think....should everyone vote for a candidate, regardless if they are feeling the choices?
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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyThu Sep 13, 2012 8:32 am

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I got into a debate with someone whose opinion is that it's everyone's civic duty to vote, regardless if they aren't thrilled with either candidate. My position is that if neither candidate speaks to me, and I'm unimpressed by both....then fuck it....neither deserves my vote and I'll just stay home on election day. I personally don't think I owe it to anyone to give out my vote like Skittles on Halloween, just because.

What do you think....should everyone vote for a candidate, regardless if they are feeling the choices?

I've had a very strong opinion on this for a long time. I firmly believe that if you don't vote, then keep your mouth shut if you don't like the way things are run. A person's choice on for whom to vote isn't limited to Democrat or Republican. Even if they're the only two candidates on the ballot. Write someone in. Vote for the lesser of the two evils. Vote for someone you think would do a better job. When I get back on Sunday I'll probably read how this is "wasting" my vote. Bullshit. The only time you waste your vote is when you don't vote. A few weeks ago I posted something on the Republican efforts at voter suppression. That any rational person can see is very real. I guess one of the things that pisses me off is when people treat their right to vote as their right not to vote.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyThu Sep 13, 2012 8:57 am

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I've had a very strong opinion on this for a long time. I firmly believe that if you don't vote, then keep your mouth shut if you don't like the way things are run. A person's choice on for whom to vote isn't limited to Democrat or Republican. Even if they're the only two candidates on the ballot. Write someone in. Vote for the lesser of the two evils. Vote for someone you think would do a better job. When I get back on Sunday I'll probably read how this is "wasting" my vote. Bullshit. The only time you waste your vote is when you don't vote. A few weeks ago I posted something on the Republican efforts at voter suppression. That any rational person can see is very real. I guess one of the things that pisses me off is when people treat their right to vote as their right not to vote.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyThu Sep 13, 2012 9:04 am

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[... Vote for the lesser of the two evils. Vote for someone you think would do a better job. ...

This is the main point to consider. I think a lot of Americans don't vote for a candidate as much as they vote against the other one.

Also the reality of American politics. Either the Repugnican candidate or the Democrat are going to win the election. If you vote your conscience for a third party "spoiler" or write in someone, you may satisfy your political conscience but you effectively have thrown your vote away.

I voted for the unknown Communist party candidate instead of Jimmy Carter the first time. I am so glad Carter won that election or I woulda felt bad for throwing my vote away - but it was the first time Communists were allowed on the ballot and I wanted to give them a showing.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyThu Sep 13, 2012 10:54 am

Is voting a civic duty? Only in the philosophical sense, to those who believe that every right implies a responsibility to that right. However, in the most literal sense of the term, no. Voting is NOT a civic duty. Signing up for the draft when you reach the age of majority is a civic duty. Serving on a jury is a civic duty. Paying taxes is a civic duty. All of these are things required by the law of citizens. Voting (or even registering to vote) are not. That is merely a right that we are guaranteed as citizens, but it is not a civic duty.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyThu Sep 13, 2012 11:40 am

The voting age in the US was 21 when I first started voting. I was 21 a few days before so I registered before my birthday. My first vote was cast November 4th 1960. I have voted in every election I was qualified to vote in. Even though we weren't Canadian citizens until we were qualified (after 5 years then) we were still able to vote in city elections and did. It is a duty and a privilege and a right to vote. If you lived in many other countries you wouldn't be allowed to vote or forced to vote for only one candidate. So get out there and vote, you may not like the candidates so vote for the lesser of 2 evils!
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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyThu Sep 13, 2012 2:54 pm

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I've had a very strong opinion on this for a long time. I firmly believe that if you don't vote, then keep your mouth shut if you don't like the way things are run. A person's choice on for whom to vote isn't limited to Democrat or Republican. Even if they're the only two candidates on the ballot. Write someone in. Vote for the lesser of the two evils. Vote for someone you think would do a better job. When I get back on Sunday I'll probably read how this is "wasting" my vote. Bullshit. The only time you waste your vote is when you don't vote. A few weeks ago I posted something on the Republican efforts at voter suppression. That any rational person can see is very real. I guess one of the things that pisses me off is when people treat their right to vote as their right not to vote.
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And being that it wasn't that long ago when I personally wouldn't have been able TO vote, I definitely feel compelled to. People have died for my right to vote.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyThu Sep 13, 2012 4:22 pm

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I guess one of the things that pisses me off is when people treat their right to vote as their right not to vote.
Be that as it may, people DO in fact have the right NOT to vote. Unless something is mandated by law, it cannot be considered a "civic duty". Voting is a "choice" just like tithing to your church is a choice. Some people feel that it is their duty to tithe also, but at the end of the day it remains their choice. It's not something you necessarily HAVE to do. Whether or not people SHOULD do it is a completely different argument. You are unlikely to encounter a person living in the US who feels like they should not have the RIGHT to vote. But that in itself doesn't mean that they must feel compelled to actually vote. Not every woman who is "pro-choice" would feel compelled to get an abortion if they got pregnant. Having the right to do something should not necessitate an expectation of doing that thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyThu Sep 13, 2012 5:37 pm

In every presidential election since I became eligible to vote, I have had strong enough feelings for (or against) one side to make it my business to get to the polls and vote. I almost can't imagine a situation where presidential candidates would cause me indifference, or where I'd be offput by them both to the point of not wanting to bother. I'm a democrat and so I never want to see a Republican in office, that alone is motivation enough even if I'm not in awe of my party's guy.

However, I have been known to skip local elections for the same reasons.

Yes. I think everyone should see it as their duty to get out and vote. Let your opinion factor into how the country is steered and run. Even if you don't like your parties guy, do like Allen said and vote for who you think the lesser evil is.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyFri Sep 14, 2012 4:02 am

I'm in a similar predicament now. In '08 I enthusiastically voted for Obama, but he's been a colossal disappointment. My support hasn't turned to Romney and if I do make it out to vote again this year Obama will most likely be who I choose but he's been such a disappointment that I almost dread voting in his favor again.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Voting a "Duty?"   Is Voting a "Duty?" EmptyFri Sep 14, 2012 11:34 am

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I'm in a similar predicament now. In '08 I enthusiastically voted for Obama, but he's been a colossal disappointment. My support hasn't turned to Romney and if I do make it out to vote again this year Obama will most likely be who I choose but he's been such a disappointment that I almost dread voting in his favor again.
I have to ask how much more did you expect Obama to accomplish with the republicans in congress unwilling to cooperate at all? You forget that the republicans would destroy your country to make sure Obama doesn't get a 2nd term in office? Mitch McConnell said that was their only priority. In spite of their obstructionism

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05/20/09 Homeowners' foreclosures avoided by improved terms for loan modification and restructuring of their debt Helping Families Save Their Homes Home Owners
04/21/09 Disadvantaged youth job opportunites enhanced by community service to gain skills/experience and earn education grants and stipends Serve America Act Volunteering & Community Organizers
04/21/09 Community volunteer program expanded to address the education, health care, energy and veterans needs of low income communities Serve America Act Volunteering & Community Organizers
04/21/09 250,000 volunteers by 2017 for community service programs in low income neighborhoods Serve America Act Volunteering & Community Organizers
04/13/09 Restrictions eased on Cuba travel, money transfers, and cellular telephone/satellite service. International Relations
04/11/09 Maersk Alabama Capt. Richard Phillips rescued during operation in which U.S. Navy Seal snipers kill three Somali Pirates holding him for ransom aboard lifeboat Somali Civil War Combating Terrorism
04/01/09 Approximately 2.7 million jobs added to US payrolls and unemployment rate kept 1½ percentage points lower due to Stimulus spending 2009 Stimulus Bill Workers & Businesses
04/01/09 Deeper recession or depression averted in 2009 and beyond with the help of stimulus bill provisions 2009 Stimulus Bill Improving Economic Stability
02/17/09 $48.1 billion in investments for highway, bridge, high-speed rail & other transportation projects 2009 Stimulus Bill Improving Infrastructure
02/17/09 $100 billion in education aid to prevent lay-offs, modernize schools, award Pell grants and help low income children & special education programs 2009 Stimulus Bill Middle Class & Poor
02/17/09 $155 billion in health care assistance for the poor & unemployed primarily for Medicaid, health information technology and insurance premium subsidies 2009 Stimulus Bill Poor & Unemployed
02/17/09 $70 billion in tax relief for middle class workers by patching the Alternative Minimum Tax for one year 2009 Stimulus Bill Middle Class
02/17/09 $82.2 billion in aid for low income workers, unemployed and retirees (including job training) 2009 Stimulus Bill Poor & Unemployed
02/17/09 Tax credit of $400 per worker ($800 per couple) for middle income workers for 2009 & 2010 totaling $116 billion 2009 Stimulus Bill Middle Class & Workers
02/17/09 2010 real GDP increased by about 3.4% due to stimulus spending 2009 Stimulus Bill Businesses & Improving the Economy
02/04/09 4 million more children insured under SCHIP in addition to the 6.6 million already covered Children's Health Insurance Progra... Children
01/29/09 Pay discrimination based on gender, race, color, national origin, age and disability prohibited. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act Women & Women's Rights
01/29/09 Statute of limitations on filing equal-pay lawsuits eased by setting period to start from the date of the most recent paycheck. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act Women & Women's Rights
01/29/09 Employers prompted to review, develop and update their criteria on employee compensation to ensure they are applied consistently and uniformly. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act Women & Women's Rights
01/21/09 Use of torture by CIA and military to interrogate prisoners prohibited.
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Thank you Suzi. I'll admit I'm not very enthusiastic this time around myself. So I understand that. But seriously do people who strongly believe in equal rights & the US getting back on its feet want to sit home on election day while the other side runs to the polls to vote for Romney because...well...the black guy?


Because honestly, we know the truth. People are willing to see this country destroyed, the middle class being decimated, corporations raking in record profits off the backs of the working class & rights being taken away just because of that. I'll be in that voting booth if I have to crawl there.

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CeCe wrote:
Thank you Suzi. I'll admit I'm not very enthusiastic this time around myself. So I understand that. But seriously do people who strongly believe in equal rights & the US getting back on its feet want to sit home on election day while the other side runs to the polls to vote for Romney because...well...the black guy?


Because honestly, we know the truth. People are willing to see this country destroyed, the middle class being decimated, corporations raking in record profits off the backs of the working class & rights being taken away just because of that. I'll be in that voting booth if I have to crawl there.

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