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    'ACLU Files Complaint after Teen Sentenced to 10 Years of Church Attendance'

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    News 'ACLU Files Complaint after Teen Sentenced to 10 Years of Church Attendance'

    Post by Chris Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:14 pm

    http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/09/aclu-files-complaint-after-teen-sentenced-to-10-years-of-church-attendance/#ixzz2EgaPU3oi

    ACLU Files Complaint after Teen Sentenced to 10 Years of Church Attendance
    By Emma O'ConnorDec. 09, 2012

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    If offered the opportunity to sit in church instead of in jail, most people would probably opt for a little extra piety. But when an Oklahoma judge offered that alternative to a 17-year-old facing manslaughter charges, the American Civil Liberties Union was less than impressed. According to Tulsa World, the ACLU filed a complaint Tuesday against a Muskogee, Okla., judge’s decision to include the religious requirement as a stipulation in the teenager’s deferred sentence.

    In November, Tyler Alred was sentenced to 10 years’ probation for his involvement in an alcohol-related car accident last year that killed his 16-year-old passenger. Alred, who was classified as a “youthful offender,” pleaded guilty to manslaughter charges in August, Tulsa World reported. According to the Oklahoman, Alred confessed to drinking but tested below the legal alcohol limit at the time of the crash. He was, however, still considered to be driving under the influence because he was underage.

    The teen avoided jail time when District Judge Mike Norman handed down a decade-long probation term in tandem with several other requirements, including that he attend church regularly, wear an alcohol-monitoring ankle bracelet, participate in drug and alcohol assessments, finish school, undergo counseling and contribute to speaking events warning against drunk driving, NBC News noted.

    Alred’s defense attorney, Donn Baker, told Tulsa World in November that he did not intend to fight Norman’s ruling. “My client goes to church every Sunday,” Baker reportedly said. “That isn’t going to be a problem for him. We certainly want the probation for him.”

    The District Attorney’s Office will be responsible for monitoring Alred’s churchgoing. Assistant District Attorney Jim Carnagey told the Oklahoma paper that Norman has ordered similarly religious requirements before. “If someone wants to appeal my decision, they’re entitled to do that,” Norman told Tulsa World after he delivered the sentence.
    The ACLU of Oklahoma has now taken up that challenge. In its filing with the Oklahoma Council on Judicial Complaints, the organization argues that the church attendance stipulation infringes on the principle of religious liberty and violates the Oklahoma Code of Judicial Conduct rule that judges must “uphold and apply the law.”

    “It is shocking that a judge would so blatantly ignore the First Amendment, which at minimum prevents the government from forcing church attendance and from interfering in deeply personal matters of faith,” Ryan Kiesel, the executive director of the ACLU of Oklahoma, said in statement.

    Kiesel told Tulsa World that the ACLU “didn’t file this complaint lightly.”

    “Judge Norman’s decision to give this defendant a choice between church and prison cannot be enforced without illegal government intrusion into a young man’s conscience,” Brady Henderson, the ACLU of Oklahoma’s legal director, said in the organization’s statement. “Not only is this inconsistent with our nation’s fundamental guarantees of freedom of worship, it is also offensive to the very religion it is meant to advance. Acts of faith should come from a freely-made choice to adopt a faith, not from the government giving its citizens an ultimatum to sit either in a pew or a prison cell.”

    Henderson told the Oklahoman that Alred himself has not expressed concern over the church provision.

    Judge Norman spoke to the Oklahoman in November and said he would stand by his decision. He did, however, say he had received some phone calls complaining that the sentence breached the U.S. Constitution.

    “They may well be right, but that’s what I did, and we made a record,” he said to the paper.

    Keisel said the Council on Judicial Complaints will make a recommendation to the Court on the Judiciary about the next steps against Norman.
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    Post by CeCe Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:17 pm

    Good for them! That is bullshit & in violation of The Constitution.
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    News Re: 'ACLU Files Complaint after Teen Sentenced to 10 Years of Church Attendance'

    Post by Shale Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:25 pm

    Clearly a violation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and very basic; one of the reasons this was part of that amendment, when one prevailing religion could force itself on ppl not of that faith. It is a bad precedent to even sentence a religious person to this. What happens when an Atheist had to opt between going to jail or going to church. He may take the church as a better option but then his constitutional right to freedom of religion gets trampled.

    However, bottom line - you should expect as much living in backwater theocracies like Afghanistan, Pakistan or Oklastan. Different religions but same theocratic mindset.
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    News Re: 'ACLU Files Complaint after Teen Sentenced to 10 Years of Church Attendance'

    Post by Tony Marino Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:49 pm

    CeCe wrote:Good for them! That is bullshit & in violation of The Constitution.

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    Post by Forgiveness Man Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:07 pm

    The ACLU doesn't want people to have the option to serve out their sentences in a Church? Okay. No arguments from me. To jail it is, then! big grin
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    Post by CeCe Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:18 pm

    Forgiveness Man wrote:The ACLU doesn't want people to have the option to serve out their sentences in a Church? Okay. No arguments from me. To jail it is, then! big grin

    Well we could always make it a mosque next time!
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:32 pm

    CeCe wrote:

    Well we could always make it a mosque next time!
    I think many crooks would choose the jail cell. Wink
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    News Re: 'ACLU Files Complaint after Teen Sentenced to 10 Years of Church Attendance'

    Post by Suzi Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:34 pm

    It probably won't stand up in another court, but I think it is funny as hell!
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    Post by Nystyle709 Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:25 pm

    LOL.

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