What are your thoughts of female officers dressed as prostitutes and propositioning guys on corners and plain clothes male cops lurking around gay cruising spots. Is this entrapment?

It's only entrapment if they're coerced into acting. If they don't take the bait, they won't go down.

Exactly, if you're not going to break the law, somebody just standing around and LOOKING suggestive isn't or shouldn't be enough to make your mind do a 180 and decide yeah you're going to participate in an illegal activity. And even if they do get suggestive, if it's not on your mind, you really don't have much to worry about in getting busted.

I prefer for law enforcement to make arrests based on someone acting without their provocation. Police should have better things to do than to hang around trying to lure people into committing *sex crimes just to fill an arrest quota.

JM130ELM wrote:

I prefer for law enforcement to make arrests based on someone acting without their provocation. Police should have better things to do than to hang around trying to lure people into committing *sex crimes just to fill an arrest quota.

I wouldn't say that these guys are being 'lured' into anything, because most of them were out looking for action. In their quest for some public nookie, they were just unfortunate to run into someone who was a cop.

Exactly, now the thing you really need to ask is HOW pathetic are these morons who would get busted, how pathetic are they that they have to go out and PAY for sex with a strange woman? They can't just pick one up in a bar or a club or something and get about the same results for free? That's why I don't have sympathy for any guy who does get caught.

I don't like the idea of somebody being arrested for what they ALMOST did with the help of an instigating cop. The fear of God is probably put in most guys who're confronted with law enforcement upon doing something stupid like picking up a prostitute or hanging out in a mens room or whatever. Is it really worth charging them? At the very most run them into the station, check and see if they have any priors. If they don't then let them go with a stern warning. The experience would likely scare them off from acting so reckless again. Why ruin a guy with a clean record's life over this?

^^ well why is the guy wit a clean record goin out to do somethin illegal like pickin up a prostitute? i think it would be his own fault. he knows good an well that its illegal but took that chance

Chris wrote:

It's only entrapment if they're coerced into acting. If they don't take the bait, they won't go down.

Ah, but seriously. The morality argument aside, prostitution (and all other “victimless crimes) is only a crime because legislatures say they are. I don’t think street hookers are legal in Nevada either but you can go to a brothel there and not get arrested. Try that in a neighboring state and you do. The only difference is the border line between the states. When I first read the thread title, “undercover sex stings”, I thought it was about the “To Catch a Predator” type. Which I’m all in favor of.

I think it is a good thing that the stings are done, or it would get out of control in cities. I have to believe that some guys who consider cruising for a hooker decide not to due to fear of being caught. If that fear was lessened or removed completely, there would be a lot more men risking their wives health.

RobbieFTW wrote:

I don't like the idea of somebody being arrested for what they ALMOST did with the help of an instigating cop. The fear of God is probably put in most guys who're confronted with law enforcement upon doing something stupid like picking up a prostitute or hanging out in a mens room or whatever. Is it really worth charging them? At the very most run them into the station, check and see if they have any priors. If they don't then let them go with a stern warning. The experience would likely scare them off from acting so reckless again. Why ruin a guy with a clean record's life over this?

I agree. Prostitution is 'illegal' (when it's really the oldest profession) because someone decided that it's not morally right. Someone wants to get some ass and he/she willing to pay for it. So what? Most of you have paid and are paying for the same thing indirectly anyway. Pirating media is also illegal but you don't have too many people up in arms in defense of that law. These 'stings' should really only be conducted when there is reason to believe that children or women are being forced to prostitute themselves. If these cops aren't willing to actually fuck the person that they are trying to entrap.......then technically, no crime has been committed. You're going to jail for attempted prostitution? LOL.

Supernova wrote:

Exactly, now the thing you really need to ask is HOW pathetic are these morons who would get busted, how pathetic are they that they have to go out and PAY for sex with a strange woman? They can't just pick one up in a bar or a club or something and get about the same results for free? That's why I don't have sympathy for any guy who does get caught.

You can't just churn your own butter? Why do you pay for it? You can't get your own cow to milk? Why pay for it? You pay for services that you can do on your own too, so how is this any different? You do it because it's easier and less hassle. They would have to 'pay' a woman at the bar and the club for sex too, since they will be buying them drinks all night and that's only if they get go back home with her. You get NOTHING in this world for free.

As a father of 3, I can't feel too bad for these jaded guys trolling the streets for backwoods and tee room sex getting busted. You got grown men lurking around locker and restrooms being peeping tom's. I go to the gym and see guys in towel's when I get there and when I leave 3 hrs later they're still in towels. Clear what they're upto back there. If you need random sex that bad, hire an escort.

I don't so much mind police patrolling areas notorious for indecency to keep order....but I think it should be more about preventing illicit sexual activity than arresting some homely idiot who was so desperate to get off that he was stupid enough to take undercover bait. Arresting these clowns seems like a petty and moralistic power trip. Like Robbie said, just scare them with a threat.

Personally I think prostitution should be legal...I'd prefer it if our tax dollars were used in other ways. Same with most drugs.

As far as entrapment, I don't know about the legalities of it, but I do feel like it's an ethical gray area.

RobbieFTW wrote:

I don't like the idea of somebody being arrested for what they ALMOST did with the help of an instigating cop. The fear of God is probably put in most guys who're confronted with law enforcement upon doing something stupid like picking up a prostitute or hanging out in a mens room or whatever. Is it really worth charging them? At the very most run them into the station, check and see if they have any priors. If they don't then let them go with a stern warning. The experience would likely scare them off from acting so reckless again. Why ruin a guy with a clean record's life over this?

Maybe not but they should definitely be fined IMO.

thepossiblepolice wrote:

Personally I think prostitution should be legal...I'd prefer it if our tax dollars were used in other ways. Same with most drugs.

As far as entrapment, I don't know about the legalities of it, but I do feel like it's an ethical gray area.

Welcome to the board. Always nice to have another free spirit flitting about.

I sorta resent the implication that these are pervs or losers trolling for sex. My first piece of ass as a teenager was with a Mexican Pro. And I made several more trips to that border town while stationed in Texas (Yeah, where is a young serviceman supposed to meet a nice girl in San Angelo TX?) I also partook of the brothels in Turkey for a year and a half, before snuggling with my first G/F a nice Muslim girl there.

And, if an old geezer (not me of course) wanted a warm young bod to lie beside, why shouldn't he be able to contract for that service. Someone mentioned hire an escort. Well that is just one of the euphemisms for the modern pro biz. I personally think victimless crimes should be done away with as an abhorrence of our puritan dominated culture. Regulate if necessary but sex workers should be just like any other bizness.

thepossiblepolice wrote:

Personally I think prostitution should be legal...I'd prefer it if our tax dollars were used in other ways. Same with most drugs.

As far as entrapment, I don't know about the legalities of it, but I do feel like it's an ethical gray area.

ITA that prostitution should be legal. Maybe not streetwalkers, but brothels should be.

It's alright with me if a plain clothes cop drives up and arrests a prostitute for walking up to his car and offering sex but a female cop dressed up as a prostitute and propositioning guys on the street is entrapment. It's like having a can of gasoline and matches and daring somebody else to set something on fire.

FightSleep wrote:

It's alright with me if a plain clothes cop drives up and arrests a prostitute for walking up to his car and offering sex but a female cop dressed up as a prostitute and propositioning guys on the street is entrapment. It's like having a can of gasoline and matches and daring somebody else to set something on fire.

If that kind of logic were true, we'd have to forbid ALL women from ever setting foot outside of the house since men don't just set their sights on hookers alone.

Public sex needs to stop. It's illegal, and the whining about sexual liberty or unfair enforcement is tired. It's illegal! You can't break the law and cry "entrapment" because you got busted. If you offer yourself to someone in public who happens to be an officer, it's not entrapment.

RobbieFTW wrote:

thepossiblepolice wrote:

Personally I think prostitution should be legal...I'd prefer it if our tax dollars were used in other ways. Same with most drugs.

As far as entrapment, I don't know about the legalities of it, but I do feel like it's an ethical gray area.

ITA that prostitution should be legal. Maybe not streetwalkers, but brothels should be.

Yes to brothels, seems safer for all involved. Provided that they were watched over somewhat for workplace safety and all that. I don't like the idea of sex slaves and all that.