My latest takes EC and its a freaking GODsend.

No, I'm not okay with it. But I guess nature wanted to do some weeding.

Better than a teenager going through child birth or an abortion...

^^^^Maybe better, maybe not. It's not like life just plops babies in the uterus.

I'm not comfortable with the morning after pill, but I also don't feel like it's my place to decide whether someone takes it or not. I'm torn about it being available without an Rx because I know the nature of it makes it something that you need right away, but I wouldn't want someone slipping it in my drink or my kid taking it without talking about it with me either. I really have mixed feelings on this one.

^^^^Somebody would never slip it in your drink. Don't be paranoid. (Sarcasm)

Forgiveness Man wrote:

^^^^Somebody would never slip it in your drink. Don't be paranoid. (Sarcasm)

lol, I'm sure that they wouldn't slip it in MY drink, actually...But the potential for abuse is there, if it's easy to get and take. I don't have experience with it though, it may be more than one pill and then it wouldn't be so easy...

thepossiblepolice wrote:

Forgiveness Man wrote:

^^^^Somebody would never slip it in your drink. Don't be paranoid. (Sarcasm)

lol, I'm sure that they wouldn't slip it in MY drink, actually...But the potential for abuse is there, if it's easy to get and take. I don't have experience with it though, it may be more than one pill and then it wouldn't be so easy...

Stuff like this could never be abused.

Just imagine some guy, after running up in his girl or some chick he took home, offering her a glass of water that he spiked with that shit.

Personally I have no qualms with the Morning After pill. It's good trump card.

Kral wrote:

The "Morning After" pill is now sold without a prescription to men and women 17 and older. That means women and men can get it directly from the pharmacist. It can be used up to 120 hours, or five days, after unprotected intercourse, but it's more effective the sooner it's taken.

Thoughts on this? Are you okay with the MA pill being sold over the counter to people under 18 like condoms.

Yep. I don't see a problem with it at all. I have zero problems with birth control. It's not like they're selling it to 13 yr olds. You do have to show i.d. 17 is fine.

Nystyle709 wrote:

thepossiblepolice wrote:

lol, I'm sure that they wouldn't slip it in MY drink, actually...But the potential for abuse is there, if it's easy to get and take. I don't have experience with it though, it may be more than one pill and then it wouldn't be so easy...

How can you abuse it? You can't get 'high' with it. The MA pill prevents conception. So if somehow in the five days before it loses its potency and a sperm cell actually fertilized an egg, the MA pill won't 'abort' the zygote or harm it in any way like some people believe. Nothing happens.

Marc™ wrote:

Just imagine some guy, after running up in his girl or some chick he took home, offering her a glass of water that he spiked with that shit.

It would definitely make a rapist's job a little easier. They gotta invent a new pill to erase his DNA next!

Forgiveness Man wrote:

Marc™ wrote:

Just imagine some guy, after running up in his girl or some chick he took home, offering her a glass of water that he spiked with that shit.

It would definitely make a rapist's job a little easier. They gotta invent a new pill to erase his DNA next!

How exactly does it make a rapists job easier? The Morning After pill doesn't impede judgment like GHB, nor does kill the presence of the rapists sperm inside the victim. If anything it makes the rape victim rest a little easier to know that her attackers seed won't be fertilizing any of her eggs.

JM130ELM wrote:

How exactly does it make a rapists job easier? The Morning After pill doesn't impede judgment like GHB, nor does kill the presence of the rapists sperm inside the victim. If anything it makes the rape victim rest a little easier to know that her attackers seed won't be fertilizing any of her eggs.

I said a little easier. Once they create the new version that kills his sperm presence, then it makes it a lot easier!

As for how it makes it a little easier now, he doesn't have to worry about impregnating her either and risk it being reported when she goes to get it aborted! (Assuming the clinic follows the law.) He can just give her the pill, and threaten her to keep quiet. Might work. It's not a runaway for them yet cause the pills got so much evolution to go through. But hey, it's a start. They should have the date rape and morning after pills sold in a discount combo pack! It's economical, and more environmentally friendly if you do it right.

Nystyle709 wrote:

thepossiblepolice wrote:

lol, I'm sure that they wouldn't slip it in MY drink, actually...But the potential for abuse is there, if it's easy to get and take. I don't have experience with it though, it may be more than one pill and then it wouldn't be so easy...

How can you abuse it? You can't get 'high' with it. The MA pill prevents conception. So if somehow in the five days before it loses its potency and a sperm cell actually fertilized an egg, the MA pill won't 'abort' the zygote or harm it in any way like some people believe. Nothing happens.

I imagine that someone could force someone else to take it.

Abuse does not = getting high, IMO.

I don't know all the facts about EC, but it used to be, I believe, that it allowed a sperm to fertilize an egg, but made the uterine environment hostile to the fertilized egg. Maybe it's not that way any more, but birth control pills and depo provera do the same thing, only they also reduce the chances of ovulation. Still, some pregnancies are prevented, if you read the fine print, by the same mechanism. I personally don't take hormonal bc because I don't want to take that risk. I believe that life begins at conception, but I don't go around shoving that view down the throats of others, because we are all entitled to our own opinion about it.

Because of my beliefs about life beginning at conception, I believe that EC is just as serious as an abortion and shouldn't be something taken lightly. I think the same thing about hormonal birth control though, which is only available with an Rx.

Forgiveness Man wrote:

It would definitely make a rapist's job a little easier. They gotta invent a new pill to erase his DNA next!

Generally it isn't the rapists intent to impregnate his victim. The pill isn't a sperm death ray, it just prevents the egg from implanting.

Nystyle709 wrote:

How can you abuse it? You can't get 'high' with it. The MA pill prevents conception. So if somehow in the five days before it loses its potency and a sperm cell actually fertilized an egg, the MA pill won't 'abort' the zygote or harm it in any way like some people believe. Nothing happens.

Agree with that, it has been wrongly called the "abortion pill" it does nothing of the sort, in fact if a fertilized egg has implanted in the uterus nothing happens. How much better that the young woman takes the pill rather than risk a pregnancy or an abortion. I hear people all the time say that "liberals love abortions", nothing could be farther from the truth we believe that it is a woman's right to choose, (when men can get pregnant, they can have that right too), but something that prevents abortions is really much preferable to my way of thinking. I seriously do not believe that women go into abortions without a lot of thought. I remember when Bush decided against aiding stem cell research it seemed like those against it thought women were going to rush right ouit and have an abortion for medical science. Really that is the most ludicrous idea ever.

Suzi wrote:

Nystyle709 wrote:

How can you abuse it? You can't get 'high' with it. The MA pill prevents conception. So if somehow in the five days before it loses its potency and a sperm cell actually fertilized an egg, the MA pill won't 'abort' the zygote or harm it in any way like some people believe. Nothing happens.

Agree with that, it has been wrongly called the "abortion pill" it does nothing of the sort, in fact if a fertilized egg has implanted in the uterus nothing happens. How much better that the young woman takes the pill rather than risk a pregnancy or an abortion. I hear people all the time say that "liberals love abortions", nothing could be farther from the truth we believe that it is a woman's right to choose, (when men can get pregnant, they can have that right too), but something that prevents abortions is really much preferable to my way of thinking. I seriously do not believe that women go into abortions without a lot of thought. I remember when Bush decided against aiding stem cell research it seemed like those against it thought women were going to rush right ouit and have an abortion for medical science. Really that is the most ludicrous idea ever.

I don't object to it's use, but the MAP doesn't prevent conception if ovulation has already occurred and clinically it can cause an "abortion" by preventing the ovum from being implanted in the uterus.

Suzi wrote:

Nystyle709 wrote:

How can you abuse it? You can't get 'high' with it. The MA pill prevents conception. So if somehow in the five days before it loses its potency and a sperm cell actually fertilized an egg, the MA pill won't 'abort' the zygote or harm it in any way like some people believe. Nothing happens.

Agree with that, it has been wrongly called the "abortion pill" it does nothing of the sort, in fact if a fertilized egg has implanted in the uterus nothing happens. How much better that the young woman takes the pill rather than risk a pregnancy or an abortion. I hear people all the time say that "liberals love abortions", nothing could be farther from the truth we believe that it is a woman's right to choose, (when men can get pregnant, they can have that right too), but something that prevents abortions is really much preferable to my way of thinking. I seriously do not believe that women go into abortions without a lot of thought. I remember when Bush decided against aiding stem cell research it seemed like those against it thought women were going to rush right ouit and have an abortion for medical science. Really that is the most ludicrous idea ever.

I don't believe that they go into an abortion without a lot of thought either. However, there are plenty of women who don't realize that one of the ways that hormonal bc works is by preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg. Many women know it and don't care, but those who believe life begins at conception and would NEVER get an abortion, can get what amounts to a chemical abortion without them knowing it, because they are using birth control pills.

Like I said before though, I do believe, because when you need EC you need it right away, that it isn't as simple as just making it Rx only. I personally feel that people need to be informed of the way it works before they take it so that they can decide what they are personally morally comfortable with. I may have qualms about it being abused, but just because something can be abused, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be available for those who feel that they need it.

CeCe wrote:

Forgiveness Man wrote:

It would definitely make a rapist's job a little easier. They gotta invent a new pill to erase his DNA next!

Generally it isn't the rapists intent to impregnate his victim.

That's my point exactly!

Forgiveness Man wrote:

CeCe wrote:

Generally it isn't the rapists intent to impregnate his victim.

That's my point exactly!

The pill really only benefits the victim. If he impregnates her, the evidence is already there. It only serves the purpose of enabling her to avoid being victimized twice.

CeCe wrote:

Forgiveness Man wrote:

That's my point exactly!

The pill really only benefits the victim. If he impregnates her, the evidence is already there. It only serves the purpose of enabling her to avoid being victimized twice.

I think the pill actually victimizes her twice in it of itself, but that's beside the point.

I know the evidence is already there. But a baby complicates matters. It's easier for a rapist to control a woman who doesn't get pregnant. As I said, date rape and MAPs should be should in a two-pack!

Without digging through the muck, I'm just gonna say that the MA pill just hinders conception from happening....it closes the door before the intruders (sperm) get into the house. It's no more an abort drug than spermicidal condoms are.