Subject: The "Morning After" pill Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:42 am
For/Against? You consider this another form of abortion?
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Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:43 am
I do consider it another form of abortion. I think all birth control is fairly dumb to begin with. So yeah, this takes it even further and it's dumb if you ask me. (*let loose the hounds) Boneheads? Yeah, if you use it. xD
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Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:32 am
Totally for. Contrary to what these boneheads think, the morning after pill PREVENTS CONCEPTION. It does not and will not terminate a fertilized egg....therefore it is not another form of abortion.
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Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:44 am
The Morning After pill is no more of an "abortion" than condoms with spermicidal lubricant.
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I do consider it another form of abortion. I think all birth control is fairly dumb to begin with. So yeah, this takes it even further and it's dumb if you ask me. (*let loose the hounds) Boneheads? Yeah, if you use it. xD
LOL, and you wanna call somebody else touchy.
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Forgiveness_Man probably against the regular BC pill too. Against sex outside marriage, abortion, divorce & think sex education is telling kids to have sex. Probably against condoms too. Man what's it like to be living in 1955 in 2010?
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^^^You got it NY. Had I made another post altogether, I would've had a lot more to say. Hence I edited the comment.
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Forgiveness_Man probably against the regular BC pill too. Against sex outside marriage, abortion, divorce & think sex education is telling kids to have sex. Probably against condoms too. Man what's it like to be living in 1955 in 2010?
I actually am living in 2010, and living it my way is actually great. I just don't conform to things that don't pass the smell test just cause everyone else is. I'll enjoy 2010 without jumping off a bridge just to prove to other people that I don't live in '55.
As for the BC pill, it's a dumb concept to me. I feel values are timeless and I think things people have accepted under the guise of "progress" have been more regressive than anything. I'm anti-conformity and I am comfortable being anti-conformity. Sorry if my mind is too open to step back and see when people are accepting a bunch of crap that really just makes no sense. (And FTR, most of the things you mentioned are not things I care to stop other people from doing. All but one I take a live and let live attitude to)
Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:33 pm
I personally don't feel the morning after pill is a form of abortion. As one poster mentioned, it's before conception takes place. I'm 100% for the morning after pill. As for what Forgiveness Man has to say, I agree - he's living in the old age! I think he might change his mind if men, instead of women, were the ones to go through childbirth.
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Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:55 pm
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I personally don't feel the morning after pill is a form of abortion. As one poster mentioned, it's before conception takes place. I'm 100% for the morning after pill. As for what Forgiveness Man has to say, I agree - he's living in the old age! I think he might change his mind if men, instead of women, were the ones to go through childbirth.
II'm definitely not the one living in a different age. "You'd feel differently if men gave birth!" So ridiculous and really has no ground given many women think the same way.
I'm not living in any old age. I just live in a practical world where I am not afraid to call crap where I see it, even if it is widely accepted crap. So you say old age, I say not gullible. Funny how if you don't accept some things, you must be "old fashioned." Gosh, and people say I'm the one who can't tolerate people who are different from me.
Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:36 pm
Forgiveness_Man wrote:
I think all birth control is fairly dumb to begin with. So yeah, this takes it even further and it's dumb if you ask me. (*let loose the hounds) Boneheads? Yeah, if you use it. xD
Please explain why contraception in general is "fairly dumb". The alternative being bringing unwanted children into the world who's parents, in many cases, lack the means to adequately cloth and feed them. Is this a religious view with you…that sex is only for procreation?
Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:25 am
It's no more a form of abortion than the regular pill.
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Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:19 am
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Please explain why contraception in general is "fairly dumb". The alternative being bringing unwanted children into the world who's parents, in many cases, lack the means to adequately cloth and feed them. Is this a religious view with you…that sex is only for procreation?
Part of it is religious I admit. The other part is purely natural. It's simply that I think medicine is there to make the body work right. When something comes along that makes the body work wrong, I am against it. To me, the pill is like a pill that makes you vomit up anything with over 200 calories in it, under the ridiculous guise of "the alternative is to get fat and deal with lifelong health issues." Medicine is to make something right that isn't wrong. If you're heart isn't working right, you can take medicine to make it work right. If you got a pain, it's indicative of something wrong and you take medicine to remedy it. Birth control takes something that IS working right, a woman's ability to have children, and makes it not work right. From the a natural POV, it's dumb to me. It seems to be like messing with a pandora's box.
And I really think the "alternative" is crap too. If people can't afford children, they should think twice before having sex in the first place. The "alternative" is not an alternative, it's a fabricated excuse used to justify a stupid drug. I am not seeking to ban it. If people wanna put this crap in their bodies then that's their right and they'll have to deal with any spiritual consequences themselves. But it doesn't make me old fashioned to not support it's usage. It just makes me anti-conformity. To me, it's dumb and I think the world will learn that one day. Until then, I say let people use it to stop themselves from procreating. I'm staying out of it. Oh yeah, that makes me so "old fashioned." I'm sure people say the same things to the guy not jumping off the bridge as they crash through the frozen water. I don't conform to something that doesn't pass the smell test with me just cause it's in style. If everyone else wants to do it, their business. Just don't expect me to not call it as I see it.
Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:04 am
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And I really think the "alternative" is crap too. If people can't afford children, they should think twice before having sex in the first place. The "alternative" is not an alternative, it's a fabricated excuse used to justify a stupid drug.
Sorry I didn't get back sooner but I was having some great sex without the worry of having another mouth to feed.
You are, of course entitled to your opinion, especially re something like unnatural hormonal contraception and that sex without the possibility of conception is ‘dumb”, “crap”, “unnatural”, “boneheaded”, etc. Fortunately, the majority of the six billion plus residents of earth don’t agree or there would be twenty billion of us by now. Anyone trying to get into Pandora’s box better use a condom!
I guess the following sums up your views?
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Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:18 am
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Sorry I didn't get back sooner but I was having some great sex without the worry of having another mouth to feed.
You are, of course entitled to your opinion, especially re something like unnatural hormonal contraception and that sex without the possibility of conception is ‘dumb”, “crap”, “unnatural”, “boneheaded”, etc. Fortunately, the majority of the six billion plus residents of earth don’t agree or there would be twenty billion of us by now. Anyone trying to get into Pandora’s box better use a condom!
I guess the following sums up your views?
Too much info! Get a room and stay in it.
It's not sex without the possibility of conception that is dumb. It's junk like the pill I think is dumb. I specifically said that. I agree, fortunately most people insist on not reproducing. That is a good thing that those people do not reproduce. I never said that I want to impose my views on this onto everybody. That's their business that they'll have to deal with when the time comes.
I am not even going to watch that video. But I can already tell it doesn't sum up my views. So wrong again.
BTW, I don't think we'll ever have to worry about overpopulation. Don't worry.
Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:22 am
So FM, what would you suggest to a married couple who has 5 or 6 kids and do not wish to have any more because they couldn't afford it? Wait until after menapause to have sex again?
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Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:24 am
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So FM, what would you suggest to a married couple who has 5 or 6 kids and do not wish to have any more because they couldn't afford it? Wait until after menapause to have sex again?
That's not at all what I'd suggest. I just wouldn't suggest a pill. Just like I wouldn't suggest drowning one or two of the kids to make the grocery bills a little cheaper. I try not to let the existence of one problem make a stupid decision seem better.
Of course, I know families who have 11(knew one who had 16) and are not rich so you're going to have a hard time getting your scenarios to fly with me. Not that you really care what I think anyway. I am a live and let live type for the most part. If people don't want to reproduce, they probably shouldn't be.
None of this is of course related to the MAP. I am against it. I thought that was a valid choice when the thread was created.
Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:35 am
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It's not sex without the possibility of conception that is dumb. It's junk like the pill I think is dumb. I specifically said that.
Sorry, but while you have made it clear that you object specifically to The Pill, you said, "I think all birth control is fairly dumb to begin with." All BC is not The Pill.
While I obviously don't agree with you views, I respect your right to voice them especially as you say you have no wish to impose them on anyone else.
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Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:42 am
alansmithee wrote:
Sorry, but while you have made it clear that you object specifically to The Pill, you said, "I think all birth control is fairly dumb to begin with." All BC is not The Pill.
While I obviously don't agree with you views, I respect your right to voice them especially as you say you have no wish to impose them on anyone else.
Well yeah, there is the patch, the ring, and oh yeah, the hook, the raincoat. Those commercials are just so ridiculous, they're funny. I got my own ideas for what they can do next. So those don't really improve for me.
Hey, if people like harming themselves, it's their business. As long as I am not responsible for them, I don't seek to make them conform to my BC views. I don't have to.
Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:07 pm
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Well yeah, there is the patch, the ring, and oh yeah, the hook, the raincoat. Those commercials are just so ridiculous, they're funny. I got my own ideas for what they can do next. So those don't really improve for me.
Hey, if people like harming themselves, it's their business. As long as I am not responsible for them, I don't seek to make them conform to my BC views. I don't have to.
Yeah, well there's also the condom and diaphram, which granted, aren't 100% effective but pose no health risks to anyone who uses them but you've included them too. I also hate to break it to you but you, me and every other tax payer is responsible to some degree for the children of parents who can't afford them. Not every family with 16 kids can take care of themselves.
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Subject: Re: The "Morning After" pill Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:13 pm
alansmithee wrote:
Yeah, well there's also the condom and diaphram, which granted, aren't 100% effective but pose no health risks to anyone who uses them but you've included them too. I also hate to break it to you but you, me and every other tax payer is responsible to some degree for the children of parents who can't afford them. Not every family with 16 kids can take care of themselves.
I mentioned the condom!
Oh I realize that. (Of course most people can't even have 16 children. The woman I know who did that I think did so cause she made a deal with God. ) As I said, I try not to let the existence of one problem make me accept dumb solutions.