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| Subject: WTF is the point of being a Vegan? Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:19 pm | |
| Desperate cry for attention or is it actually proven to be healthier for you? Seriously, why?
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| Subject: Re: WTF is the point of being a Vegan? Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:30 pm | |
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- Although research studies on vegans are few in number, there are some things that have been clearly shown. It is observed that vegans are significantly thinner, their blood pressure levels are lower, and they have lower blood cholesterol and LDL cholesterol levels than other vegetarians and much lower levels than those who eat meat (omnivores). These factors all translate into a lower risk of cardiovascular disease. The lower body weight would also be associated with a lower risk of cancer and diabetes.
These health advantages can be partly explained by the fact that vegan diets are richer in dietary fiber, higher in potassium and magnesium, folic acid, the antioxidant vitamins C and E, and the health-promoting phytochemicals. Fruits and vegetables, whole grains, legumes, and nuts have all shown protective characteristics against the major chronic diseases.
Those who consume high levels of these plant foods show lower levels of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, osteoporosis, and some cancers, compared with those who consume low levels of the plant foods. In addition, the use of spices such as turmeric, ginger, garlic, and onions to flavor food protects the consumer against cancer, stroke and heart disease.
Eliminating meat from the diet may not lower your saturated fat and cholesterol intake if a considerable use is made of milk, eggs and cheese. However, if one uses non-fat dairy products and egg whites (without the yolk), then the saturated fat and cholesterol intake will be considerably reduced. The dairy products can carry a slight risk of Listeriosis and Salmonella poisoning as well as allergies from milk protein and antibiotic residues in the milk. On the other hand, eggs carry a risk of salmonellosis and must be thoroughly cooked before consumption. The elderly, pregnant women and children are particularly vulnerable to improperly cooked eggs due to their partially compromised immune system.
Is There a Downside to Eating a Vegan Diet? There are always questions about calcium and vitamin D intakes and the impact these have upon risk of bone fractures in vegans. Eliminating dairy from the diet does remove a good source of calcium from the diet. Vegans can get their daily needs of calcium from dark green leafy vegetables (such as broccoli, Brussels sprouts, kale, and bok choy), calcium-fortified soy and rice beverages, and cereals, and calcium-fortified orange and apple juices. Tofu, oranges, tahini, figs, and sweet potatoes also provide useful amounts of calcium.
A large study in the United Kingdom showed that common bone fractures were no more common in vegans provided they consumed over 525 mg calcium a day. In addition to calcium, other components of a plant-based diet that are believed to protect the integrity of bone structure are potassium, magnesium, vitamin K, soy, and certain culinary herbs, such as thyme, sage, and rosemary.
The potassium- and magnesium-rich fruits and vegetables provide an alkaline residue which protects against bone loss. This alkaline residue is especially important to the aging kidney which has a problem with handling excess acid. Vitamin K-rich leafy vegetables facilitate the formation of the essential bone protein osteocalcin. Women with a higher vitamin K intake (a green leafy vegetable at least once a day) had a 45 percent reduced risk of hip fractures compared to those women with a low intake (eating a leafy vegetable less than once a week).
Soy is particularly useful in protecting against loss of bone mineral density especially in post-menopausal women. The isoflavones in soy are also reported to significantly promote bone formation and inhibit bone loss. Two servings of soy per day provides the optimal effect.
Vitamin D that is required for calcium metabolism can be obtained from vitamin D-fortified cereals, margarines, and soy beverages. During the winter months, vitamin D –rich foods are essential since very little, if any, vitamin D is synthesized by the body during the winter months for those living north of Denver and Washington DC.
Iron deficiency is a worldwide concern for everyone, especially women of child-bearing age. Eliminating dairy from the diet has no impact on iron status since milk is a very poor source of iron. Furthermore, the iron in egg is not readily bioavailable. Hence, the vegan is not considered to be at any greater risk of iron deficiency compared with other vegetarians.
A major concern for those who subsist solely on plant foods has been vitamin B12. While meat, milk and eggs have ample vitamin B12 , plants contain none. Vitamin B12 deficiency can have serious consequences such as early dementia, lack of coordination, forgetfulness, nerve dysfunction, memory loss, disorientation, difficulty with concentration, and difficulty with one’s balance when walking.
It is important for vegans to daily consume foods fortified with vitamin B12 such as fortified soy and rice beverages, some cereals and meat analogs. Reading labels is important to ensure one has an adequate intake. In fact, all persons who are fifty years of age and above should consume foods that are fortified with vitamin B12 since they may have decreased stomach acid to digest the vitamin B12 in animal foods.
Long chain omega-3 fatty acids are important for cardiovascular health as well as brain and eye function. The fatty acids can be obtained from fish. The vegetarian can now obtain the omega-3 fatty acid DHA from microalgae supplements. In addition, the body can convert alpha-linolenic acid to the long chain fatty omega-3 fatty acid DHA, although this is a fairly inefficient process. Alpha-linolenic acid can be obtained from a variety of vegetable sources, including flax seed, canola oil, walnuts, tofu, soy beverages, and soy products.
Conclusion By appropriate food selections a vegetarian can chose to eliminate all animal products from their diet and still have a nutritionally adequate diet. An unwise selection of foods can leave one short of certain nutrients and may induce deficiency symptoms and adverse health outcomes. Following a plant-based diet lowers the risk of age-related problems such as overweight, high blood pressure, and heart disease. http://www.vegetarian-nutrition.info/updates/vegan-diets-pros-cons.phpIf I was on my own I think I could at least give it a try. There's a scene in Pulp Fiction where Samuel L. Jackson's character says that his girlfriend is a vegetarian which pretty much makes him a vegetarian. Same for me but in reverse. I am on record here as enjoying the taste of dead animal flesh but I would be willing to try it to see what kind of difference it made. | |
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| Subject: Re: WTF is the point of being a Vegan? Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:32 pm | |
| It's just a lifestyle choice for some people. I don't think being a vegan means you're healthier than a non vegan. | |
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| Subject: Re: WTF is the point of being a Vegan? Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:40 pm | |
| I never considered Vegans to be doing for health reasons. I thot they were doing it not to exploit animals. | |
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| Subject: Re: WTF is the point of being a Vegan? Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:03 pm | |
| Meh, you can be as healthy as you want and end up dead from a car crash. I am not saying that Big Macs should be regular staples in your diet but I am one for moderation. Being a vegan to me sees as extreme as living on McDonald's and the like. I say make reasonable efforts to live healthily but don't obsess over avoiding anything and everything that might increase your chances of disease.
Besides, I can see Vegans actually being fatter since at least some of them are likely eat a lot of carbs. If they truly lived on fruits, nuts, and veggies, maybe they'd be healthier. But I wonder just how many do when they aren't being studied.
Either way, I could never be a Vegan. Even if I could stomach the diet in terms of taste, veggies do a number on my digestive system. I'd have daily indigestion to a greater level if I lived on only veggies and that would eventually catch up with me. | |
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| Subject: Re: WTF is the point of being a Vegan? Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:21 pm | |
| I think most people do it to avoid animal products entirely. They don't eat eggs or even honey. Sounds boring as hell to me but kudos to those who can do it. Me, I don't like most vegetables, so I'd be screwed as a mild vegetarian, let alone vegan. | |
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| Subject: Re: WTF is the point of being a Vegan? Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:57 am | |
| Here's one thing I don't get, if you don't eat any dairy, where do you get calcium from? Sure there's calcium fortified orange juice and stuff but I wouldn't be having that 3 times a day. Or soy milk? From soy beans? Exactly HOW do you milk a bean? Huh? Or do I even want to know? | |
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| Subject: Re: WTF is the point of being a Vegan? Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:46 am | |
| - Supernova wrote:
- Here's one thing I don't get, if you don't eat any dairy, where do you get calcium from? Sure there's calcium fortified orange juice and stuff but I wouldn't be having that 3 times a day. Or soy milk? From soy beans? Exactly HOW do you milk a bean? Huh? Or do I even want to know?
Because you've been brainwashed by the dairy industry. - Quote :
- A study published in the January, 2001 edition of the American
Journal of Clinical Nutrition examined the diets of 1,035 women, particularly focusing on the protein intake from animal and vegetable products. Deborah Sellmeyer, M.D., found:
ANIMAL PROTEIN INCREASES BONE LOSS
In her study, women with a high animal-to-vegetable protein ratio experienced an increased rate of femoral neck bone loss. A high animal- to-vegetable protein ratio was also associated with an increased risk of hip fracture.
WHY DOES ANIMAL PROTEIN CAUSE BONE LOSS?
I spoke with Dr. Sellmeyer, and here is her explaination:
"Sulphur-containing amino acids in protein-containing foods are metabolized to sulfuric acid. Animal foods provide predominantly acid precursors. Acidosis stimulates osteoclastic activity and inhibits osteoblast activity."
MEAT EATERS HAVE MORE HIP FRACTURES
Sellmeyer's remarkable publication reveals:
"Women with high animal-to-vegetable protein rations were heavier and had higher intake of total protein. These women had a significantly increased rate of bone loss than those who ate just vegetable protein. Women consuming higher rates of animal protein had higher rates of bone loss and hip fracture by a factor of four times."
Milk has been called "liquid meat." The average American eats five ounces of animal protein each day in the form of red meat and chicken. At the same time, the average American consumes nearly six times that amount (29.2 ounces) per day of milk and dairy products.
How ironic it is that the dairy industry continues to promote the cause of bone disease as the cure.
Deborah Sellmeyer's brilliant work is supported by a grant from the National Institutes of Health.
Dr. Sellmeyer may be reached by EMAIL: dsellmeyer@psg.ucsf.edu
Original column:
Human breast milk is Mother Nature's PERFECT FORMULA for baby humans. Even dairy industry scientists would not be foolish enough to debate this UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED FACT. In her wisdom, Mother Nature included 33 milligrams of calcium in every 100 grams, or 3 1/2-ounce portion of human breast milk.
Adults do not drink human breast milk. At the end of this column is a list of calcium values in the foods we eat. Each food is compared to human breast milk as the standard. You might be surprised to learn how many foods naturally contain an abundance of calcium. One must wonder why Asians traditionally did not get bone-crippling osteoporosis ...that is, until they adopted the "American Diet," a diet of milk and dairy products.
The dairy industry owns the psychological exclusive rights to calcium in foods found in super markets. Few food manufacturers would dare to compete with the dairy message which infers that no other foods contain the calcium contained in milk, and without milk and dairy products you're certain to one day end up with bone-crippling osteoporosis. Tropicana Orange Juice has been marketing a Fruit-Cal orange juice which, according to the Tropicana company, contains a more absorbable type of calcium than other calcium supplements. Each cup of Tropicana's pure premium calcium contains 350 milligrams of calcium as opposed to only 302 in one cup of milk and 172 in one ounce of American cheese. Minute Maid also has a Calcium-Orange Juice product and claims that it contains fifteen times the amount of calcium as contained in an equivalent sample of regular orange juice. Gerber's Baby cereal sells a box of single grain barley upon which they write, "An excellent source of iron and a good source of calcium." The side panel of their box reveals that their cereal contains barley flour and tri and di calcium phosphate. Other than orange juice and baby food, no visible claim to calcium is made by any food manufacturer. The reason, of course, is that milk holds the monopoly. They hold title to and make claim to America's calcium perception. Few would dare challenge that claim.
A tour through a typical American supermarket reveals aisles dedicated to specific food groups...There are fresh fruits and vegetables in one section and meats and poultry in another. Rice and grains are kept separate from beans and canned vegetables. Milk and dairy products (which represent America's most sought after foods) are usually placed furthest from the market's front door. Junk foods are conjointly placed in the same aisle with cookies and potato chips. These high calorie/low fiber snacks are stacked within walking distance of both artificially sweetened and high sugar sodas.
Hostess Twinkies contain calcium. Those golden sponge cakes with creamy fillings are as much a part of our cuisine as they are a part of our national culture. To many, Twinkies represent all that is artificial and unhealthy about our collective fast food diet. To others they epitomize instant snacks, a quick source of energy and mother's easy-to- prepare dessert for her school-age child. When I was in college, Twinkies represented one of the four major food groups (along with French fries, alcoholic beverages and McDonald's hamburgers.) To read a Twinkies ingredient label is to marvel at how far mankind has progressed these past twenty-five thousand years, eating fruits and nuts and vegetables and grains, and occasional mastodon steaks, to:
"Enriched wheat flour, (niacin, a "B" vitamin), ferrous sulfate (iron), thiamin mononitrate (B1), riboflavin (B2), water, sugar, corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated vegetable and/or animal shortening (contains one or more of: canola, corn, cottonseed or soybean oil, beef fat), eggs, dextrose. Contains 2% or less of: modified food starch, whey, leavenings (sodium and pyrophosphate, baking soda, monocalcium phosphate), salt, starch, yellow corn flour, corn syrup solids, emulsifiers mono and diglycerides, lecithin, polysorbate 60, dextrin, calcium caseinate, sodium stearoyl, lactylate, cellulose gum, wheat gluten, natural and artificial flavors, caramel color, artificial colors (yellow 5, red 40), sorbic acid (to retain freshness)."
The Dairy Industry and milk processors invest hundreds of millions of dollars each year to guarantee that Americans will continue to drink milk and eat dairy products, investing their money to continually let Americans know that milk tastes good and the intake of milk and dairy products must be continued to insure good health. Milk mustaches are stylish. Drink milk and you're beautiful! Gorgeous models, actors, actresses, sports heroes, even President Clinton and Bob Dole have posed for milk advertisements. All have asserted by the milky white goo artificially applied to their upper lip that drinking milk is healthful and wholesome. Who would argue with such an overwhelming endorsement? Billboards spanning America ask the question, "Got milk?" Cal Ripken of the Baltimore Orioles broke Lou Gehrig's record for consecutive major league baseball games played. Ripken, holding a baseball bat, smiles from inside the front cover of a "GOT MILK" brochure proclaiming, "With all the skim milk I drink, my name might as well be Calcium Ripken, Jr."
Common knowledge of osteoporosis is based upon false assumptions. American women have been drinking an average of two pounds of milk or eating the equivalent milk in dairy products per day for their entire lives. Doctors recommend calcium intake for increasing and maintaining bone strength and bone density which they call bone mass. According to this regimen recommended by doctors and milk industry executives, women's bone mass would approach that of pre-historic dinosaurs. This line of reasoning should be equally extinct. Twenty-five million American women have osteoporosis. Drinking milk does not prevent osteoporosis. Milk contains calcium. Bones contain calcium too. When we are advised to add calcium to our diets we tend to drink milk or eat dairy foods.
In order to absorb calcium, the body needs comparable amounts of another mineral element, magnesium. Milk and dairy products contain only small amounts of magnesium. Without the presence of magnesium, the body only absorbs 25 percent of the available dairy calcium content. The remainder of the calcium spells trouble. Without magnesium, excess calcium is utilized by the body in injurious ways. The body uses calcium to build the mortar on arterial walls which becomes atherosclerotic plaques. Excess calcium is converted by the kidneys into painful stones which grow in size like pearls in oysters, blocking our urinary tracts. Excess calcium contributes to arthritis; painful calcium buildup often is manifested as gout. The USDA has formulated a chart of recommended daily intakes of vitamins and minerals. The term that FDA uses is Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA). The RDA for calcium is 1500 mg. The RDA for magnesium is 750 mg.
Society stresses the importance of calcium, but rarely magnesium. Yet, magnesium is vital to enzymatic activity. In addition to insuring proper absorption of calcium, magnesium is critical to proper neural and muscular function and to maintaining proper pH balance in the body. Magnesium, along with vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), helps to dissolve calcium phosphate stones which often accumulate from excesses of dairy intake. Good sources of magnesium include beans, green leafy vegetables like kale and collards, whole grains and orange juice. Non-dairy sources of calcium include green leafy vegetables, almonds, asparagus, broccoli, cabbage, oats, beans, parsley, sesame seeds and tofu.
Osteoporosis is NOT a problem that should be associated with lack of calcium intake. Osteoporosis results from calcium loss. The massive amounts of protein in milk result in a 50 percent loss of calcium in the urine. In other words, by doubling your protein intake there will be a loss of 1-1.5 percent in skeletal mass per year in postmenopausal women. The calcium contained in leafy green vegetables is more easily absorbed than the calcium in milk, and plant proteins do not result in calcium loss the same way as do animal proteins. If a postmenopausal woman loses 1-1.5 percent bone mass per year, what will be the effect after 20 years? When osteoporosis occurs levels of calcium (being excreted from the bones)in the blood are high. Milk only adds to these high levels of calcium which is excreted or used by the body to add to damaging atherosclerosis, gout, kidney stones, etc.
Bone mass does not increase after age 35. This is a biological fact that is not in dispute by scientists. However, this fact is ignored by marketing geniuses in the milk industry who make certain that women this age and older are targeted consumers for milk and dairy products. At least one in four women will suffer from osteoporosis with fractures of the ribs, hip or forearm. In 1994, University of Texas researchers published results of an experiment indicating that supplemental calcium is ineffective in preventing bone loss. Within 5 years of the initial onset of menopause, there is an accelerated rate of loss of bone, particularly from the spine. During this period of time, estrogen replacement is most effective in preventing rapid bone density loss.
Bone Mass is Genetically Determined
In December of 1994 a study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, revealed that skeletal size and bone mass are genetically programmed. Optimal skeletal size is achieved through adequate calcium intake in an individual's youth. However, excess calcium has an effect upon bone mass. Once enough calcium is introduced, the excess is either excreted in the urine or absorbed by the kidneys, arteries and liver. This excess calcium can cause great damage. The decrease in skeletal mass associated with osteoporosis in women is primarily caused by the age-dependent decrease in hormonal steroid secretion by the ovaries. While optimal calcium intake in childhood and adolescence is important for achieving proper bone density, calcium intake in adulthood has little significance.
An overview based upon recent findings regarding the pathogenesis of osteoporosis was published in Germany in 1994 and translated into English where the abstract appeared on MEDLINE, a computer service containing scientific abstracts of research. The premise of this study is that osteoporosis is an unavoidable consequence of aging for which no prevention was previously possible. However, recent hormonal therapies have slowed down the process of rapid bone loss. The lack of estrogen and progesterone play an important role in the development of osteoporosis.
Human breast milk contains 33 milligrams of calcium per 100-gram portion and potato chips contain 40 milligrams!
GOTMILK? GOT BONE DISEASE!
Find your favorite snacks on the following list and substitute them for pus- filled, antibiotic laden, allergenic and hormonal MILK.
Calcium content of foods (per 100-gram portion) (100 grams equals around 3.5 ounces)
1. Human Breast Milk 33 mg (lowest!) 2. Almonds 234 mg 3. Amaranth 267 mg 4. Apricots (dried) 67 mg 5. Artichokes 51 mg 6. Beans (can: pinto, black) 135 mg 7. Beet greens (cooked) 99 mg 8. Blackeye peas 55 mg 9. Bran 70 mg 10. Broccoli (raw) 48 mg 11. Brussel Sprouts 36 mg 12. Buckwheat 114 mg 13. Cabbage (raw) 49 mg 14. Carrot (raw) 37 mg 15. Cashew nuts 38 mg 16. Cauliflower (cooked) 42 mg 17. Swiss Chard (raw) 88 mg 18. Chickpeas (garbanzos) 150 mg 19. Collards (raw leaves) 250 mg 20. Cress (raw) 81 mg 21. Dandelion greens 187 mg 22. Endive 81 mg 23. Escarole 81 mg 24. Figs (dried) 126 mg 25. Filberts (Hazelnuts) 209 mg 26. Kale (raw leaves) 249 mg 27. Kale (cooked leaves) 187 mg 28. Leeks 52 mg 29. Lettuce (lt. green) 35 mg 30. Lettuce (dark green) 68 mg 31. Molasses (dark-213 cal.) 684 mg 32. Mustard Green (raw) 183 mg 33. Mustard Green (cooked) 138 mg 34. Okra (raw or cooked) 92 mg 35. Olives 61 mg 36. Orange (Florida) 43 mg 37. Parsley 203 mg 38. Peanuts (roasted & salted) 74 mg 39. Peas (boiled) 56 mg 40. Pistachio nuts 131 mg 41. Potato Chips 40 mg 42. Raisins 62 mg 43. Rhubarb (cooked) 78 mg 44. Sauerkraut 36 mg 45. Sesame Seeds 1160 mg 46. Squash (Butternut 40 mg 47. Soybeans 60 mg 48. Sugar (Brown) 85 mg 49. Tofu 128 mg 50. Spinach (raw) 93 mg 51. Sunflower seeds 120 mg 52. Sweet Potatoes (baked) 40 mg 53. Turnips (cooked) 35 mg 54. Turnip Greens (raw) 246 mg 55. Turnip Greens (boiled) 184 mg 56. Water Cress 151 mg | |
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| Subject: Re: WTF is the point of being a Vegan? Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:25 pm | |
| Lifestyle? I honestly don't know why anybody forsakes meat. Couldn't do it. | |
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