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    200 Gays And Lesbians Hold 'Kiss-in' In Front Of Pope

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    Post by Marc™ Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:36 pm

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    BARCELONA, Spain —
    Pope Benedict XVI strongly defended traditional families and the rights of the unborn Sunday, directly attacking Spanish laws that allow gay marriage, fast-track divorce and easier abortions as he dedicated Barcelona's iconic church, the Sagrada Familia.

    It was the second time in as many days that Benedict had criticized the policies of Spain's Socialist government and called for Europe as a whole to rediscover Christian teachings and apply them to everyday life.

    As he headed to the church named for the sacred family, about 200 gays and lesbians staged a 'kiss-in" to protest his visit and church policies on homosexuals, condom use and a host of other issues. Church teaching holds that gays should be treated with dignity and respect but that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered."

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    Benedict has focused much of his pontificate on trying to fight secular trends in the West such as the legal recognition of same-sex unions. Benedict has visited Spain twice so far and has a third trip planned next year, an indication he sees this once staunchly Roman Catholic country as a battleground for the future of the faithful in Europe.

    During his homily Sunday, Benedict noted that the Sagrada Familia church, a soaring, Art Nouveau marvel begun over a century ago, was initially conceived of as a temple to the family of Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

    As he inaugurated the church's main altar, he railed against same-sex marriage and divorce, saying families are built on the "indissoluble love of a man and a woman" who should be provided with financial and social benefits from governments. The pontiff also consecrated the building for use as a church in a colorful ceremony seldom seen performed by a pope.

    He criticized policies allowing for abortions, saying "the life of children (must) be defended as sacred and inviolable from the moment of their conception."

    To press his point, Benedict was to visit a Spanish church-run home for children with developmental and behavioral problems later Sunday before returning to Rome.

    Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's Socialist government has supported a legislative agenda that has deeply angered the Vatican, allowing gay marriage, quicker divorces and easier abortions.

    Spain's new abortion law allows the procedure without restrictions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy, bringing Spain more in line with its European neighbors.

    As he arrived Saturday, Benedict blasted such policies, saying today's "aggressive" anti-church, secular movement in Spain was reminiscent of the 1930s, when the church suffered violent persecution as the country lurched from an unstable democracy to civil war.

    The reference was striking, given the scale of violence back then: poverty-stricken and disgruntled Spaniards burned churches and murdered priests and nuns whom they considered obstacles to much-needed change. The church claims 4,184 clergy were killed by the government, or Republican side, which accused the church of backing fascist Gen. Francisco Franco.

    In his homily Sunday, Benedict again called for the West to embrace God and shun secular trends. He said the dedication of the Sagrada Familia church was of great importance "at a time in which man claims to be able to build his life without God, as if God had nothing to say to him."

    During the ritual-filled dedication ceremony, Benedict poured holy oil over the marble altar and spread it across all four corners with his hands, an apron protecting his vestments. He then lit a brass incense burner on the altar as Spain's King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia looked on.

    Afterward, four nuns dressed in black mopped up the remaining oil from the altar and placed fresh linens on it.

    The church, which was being declared a basilica, is the masterwork of Antoni Gaudi, a Barcelona architect and staunch Catholic who dedicated his life to the project but died in 1926, only a few years after it was begun. He is on the path to possible sainthood.

    The light-filled basilica is awash in Christian symbolism and imagery; its planned 18 towers that pierce Barcelona's skyline represent the 12 apostles, the four evangelists, Mary and Jesus; the basilica's three main exterior facades depict Christ's birth, death and resurrection; the 52 palm treelike columns inside represent the 52 Sundays of the year.

    Benedict praised Gaudi for integrating nature, scripture and liturgy in his masterpiece in a way that overcame the distinction between the temporal and the eternal world.

    "Antoni Gaudi did this not with words but with stones, lines, planes and points," Benedict said. "Indeed, beauty is one of mankind's greatest needs; it is the root from which the branches of our peace and the fruits of our hope come forth."

    Thousands of Spaniards lined Benedict's motorcade route, cheering and waving the yellow and white flags of the Holy See. Mixed among the throngs outside Barcelona's cathedral were 200 members of the gay 'kiss-in' who smooched as his popemobile went by.

    Sergi Benavent, a 22-year-old nursing student, said he protested to show his opposition to those "who want to love in just one way."

    "This is a peaceful demonstration that there are more ways of expressing one's love," he said.

    His partner, Andreu Martinez, a 27-year-old administrative assistant, concurred, saying he wanted to protest the church's "antiquated, homophobic and sexist hierarchy."

    Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-pope-spain-20101108,0,2512317.story
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    Post by Shale Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:57 pm

    RIGHT ON! Bueno mi Chulos


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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:01 pm

    1. The church's position is in no way homophobic. That word's lost all meaning since it's been overused. They're gonna have to come out with something new eventually cause eventually nobody's going to take accusations of homophobia seriously.

    2. It's really funny how people are protesting what a religion they don't believe in teaches. If you don't like what the pope says about gay marriage, don't freaking be Catholic. It'd be like a woman protesting the way Islam treats women by streaking an Imam. It's immature and really makes the protestors look like the intolerant and "phobic" ones by their inability to accept a differing viewpoint.(Which makes them hypocrites as well) It's not like the pope can force you to do anything. He's not a government official. So people protesting him is really just childish, and useless too. I would've gotten a good laugh at watching the attempt though. So much passion and they think they're getting somewhere.

    boring People need to get a life instead of trying to tell other religions what to preach.
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    Post by Shale Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:19 pm

    Forgiveness_Man wrote:1. The church's position is in no way homophobic. That word's lost all meaning since it's been overused.
    So when the LA Times said the Il Papa "railed against same-sex marriage" he was just showing homophilia in his own little twisted way.

    Forgiveness_Man wrote:2. ...It's immature and really makes the protestors look like the intolerant and "phobic" ones by their inability to accept a differing viewpoint.
    I've seen this circular argument before on this board with other social issue threads where the christian fundies call others intolerant and "prejudiced" because they dare protest or speak against that particular religion's oppression and attack on their secular freedoms.

    It does get tiring. And I know you can't win against christian fundies because they bait and switch and say "that's not what I meant" if you corner them. But, sometimes when there's free time between sinning you like to come on here and yank their chain.

    Which is what all the kissers in Barcelona were doing. Just putting it in the Pope's face. At least they are upfront about it, not like all those priests who kissed the boys behind the alter.

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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:37 pm

    Shale wrote:
    So when the LA Times said the Il Papa "railed against same-sex marriage" he was just showing homophilia in his own little twisted way.


    I've seen this circular argument before on this board with other social issue threads where the christian fundies call others intolerant and "prejudiced" because they dare protest or speak against that particular religion's oppression and attack on their secular freedoms.

    It does get tiring. And I know you can't win against christian fundies because they bait and switch and say "that's not what I meant" if you corner them. But, sometimes when there's free time between sinning you like to come on here and yank their chain.

    Which is what all the kissers in Barcelona were doing. Just putting it in the Pope's face. At least they are upfront about it, not like all those priests who kissed the boys behind the alter.

    Besse

    "Railed" sounds more like a propaganda term. He could've ignored them completely and he'd have been railing. FORGIVENESS MAN lol Being against gay marriage doesn't make you afraid or hating of gays, hence not homophobic. Oh I know, the definition means whatever people want it to mean now so they can use it to slander more people they don't like. Razz The more people use the word homophobic, the less it means. It's become very schoolyard.

    So in other words, they are childish "in your facers" and proud of it, but just hypocritically like to preach things that they themselves refuse to practice? Gotcha. Wink

    Religions don't oppress their secular freedoms. If you don't like what the church teaches, the solution is simple, don't follow it. Razz "Daring to speak out against a religious teaching" isn't nearly as bold as it sounds, it just basically makes you look like a nosey nag. It's kind of like telling your neighbor how to decorate their interior. They also have no valid argument since the pope is clearly not keeping them from doing a dang thing. At the end of the day, their 'yanking of the pope's chain' merely leaves them as intolerant hypocrites.

    People who waste time arrogantly getting in somebody else's face who has nothing to do with them are funny indeed. Immature, but funny. I should just track down a place that doesn't allow loud music and blast those SOBs out with some nice and loud heavy metal in their faces. :biggrin:
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    Post by Shale Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:46 pm

    Did I mention bait & switch. When quoting someone else, you should not alter the words.

    I said "they dare protest or speak against that particular religion's oppression and attack on their secular freedoms, not "a religious teaching." Religions are free to teach what they want as long as it does not impact my secular freedoms which they constantly are trying to oppress.


    Forgiveness_Man wrote:... "Daring to speak out against a religious teaching" isn't nearly as bold as it sounds, ...
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:01 pm

    Shale wrote:Did I mention bait & switch. When quoting someone else, you should not alter the words.

    I said "they dare protest or speak against that particular religion's oppression and attack on their secular freedoms, not "a religious teaching." Religions are free to teach what they want as long as it does not impact my secular freedoms which they constantly are trying to oppress.



    Well, it is a church teaching they are speaking out against. That's a fact, so no bait and switch. And "secular freedoms being oppressed?" FORGIVENESS MAN GMAB! The church isn't oppressing anybody. Nobody has to follow their rules if they don't want to. There are no secular freedoms being oppressed. These people just want to be intolerant cause somebody is daring to not validate their decisions. Secular freedoms, sounds like more excuses to whine about the rules of a religion that they aren't even following.

    I disagree with the teachings of a lot of religions. You know what I do? I am not a member of those religions. Razz I don't whine about their prohibitions violating my "secular freedoms"(like not eating certain meats, for example), I just am not part of those religions.

    Just like with beaches that permit full nudity: Cause I don't like being forced to see butt ugly old farts strutting around in their birthday suits, I don't go to nude beaches. It's simple as that. Razz If you don't like something, just don't be a part of it. Especially with Catholicism today, you have every freedom to pick something else to believe in. They clearly already have.

    I of course have theories for why people still try to tell the church what to do but those are for another time. FORGIVENESS MAN For this thread, I can just sit back and laugh at people protesting something with no effect on them. *gets out loud speakers to protest some little old lady somewhere who thinks that only classical music is good. I'll show her. Razz
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    Post by RobbieFTW Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:38 am

    What the hell does a 80yo virgin that dresses like a place setting at a faux posh restaurant know about marriage? He needs to shut his lying mouth. I am proud of the Spanish citizens who have stood up to protest against the bigoted views of the Catholic church during the Pope's visit. True to form, the Pope has used the opportunity to slam gay marriage in Spain. Spain, despite being predominantly Catholic, was the first nation in Europe to legislate for gay partnerships.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:05 pm

    RobbieFTW wrote:What the hell does a 80yo virgin that dresses like a place setting at a faux posh restaurant know about marriage? He needs to shut his lying mouth. I am proud of the Spanish citizens who have stood up to protest against the bigoted views of the Catholic church during the Pope's visit. True to form, the Pope has used the opportunity to slam gay marriage in Spain. Spain, despite being predominantly Catholic, was the first nation in Europe to legislate for gay partnerships.

    What does he know about marriage? Clearly more than all the promiscuous divorcees who like to shove their views down everyone's throats. Razz I think the pope needs to speak more. People will get upset and lie about him even if he doesn't say a word. I think he needs to speak out more cause every time people react with vitriol to his speeches, it exposes the hypocritical double standards of political correctness and I love watching that. big grin Nothing like people screaming to be tolerated who refuse to tolerate anybody else. Wink
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    Post by RobbieFTW Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:42 am

    Forgiveness_Man wrote:

    What does he know about marriage? Clearly more than all the promiscuous divorcees who like to shove their views down everyone's throats. Razz I think the pope needs to speak more. People will get upset and lie about him even if he doesn't say a word. I think he needs to speak out more cause every time people react with vitriol to his speeches, it exposes the hypocritical double standards of political correctness and I love watching that. big grin Nothing like people screaming to be tolerated who refuse to tolerate anybody else. Wink

    It's nonsensical to expect others to tolerate intolerance. The fact that the pope is a former hitler youth and is going around pronouncing all this anti-gay bullshit tells me that he's just a bigot in christian drag. There isn't anything that comes out of this jokers mouth that is worth listening to! Razz
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    Post by Shale Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:16 am

    RobbieFTW wrote: It's nonsensical to expect others to tolerate intolerance. The fact that the pope is a former hitler youth and is going around pronouncing all this anti-gay bullshit tells me that he's just a bigot in christian drag. There isn't anything that comes out of this jokers mouth that is worth listening to! Razz
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    Post by Nystyle709 Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:26 am

    RobbieFTW wrote:What the hell does a 80yo virgin that dresses like a place setting at a faux posh restaurant know about marriage?

    I'm sorry, but.... 200 Gays And Lesbians Hold 'Kiss-in' In Front Of Pope 136616 Thanks for the chuckles this morning Robbie! That was a good one.

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