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    Should evolution be taught in public school?

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    Post by Chris Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:22 am

    We had a thread about whether or not creationism should be taught in public school.

    http://www.conversationchamber.com/t3549-should-creationism-be-taught-in-public-schools

    What about evolution? Are you for or against it being taught in public schools?
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    Post by Marc™ Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:49 pm

    Yes....since, unlike creationism, evolution has actually been proven.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:16 pm

    Marc™️ wrote:Yes....since, unlike creationism, evolution has actually been proven.
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    Post by Supernova Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:29 pm

    Chris wrote:We had a thread about whether or not creationism should be taught in public school.

    http://www.conversationchamber.com/t3549-should-creationism-be-taught-in-public-schools

    What about evolution? Are you for or against it being taught in public schools?

    I can't say it would make much difference as 1. if I have kids they're going to be homeschooled, and 2. people are going to believe what they want to anyway.

    Though actually this reminds me of something I read in the paper, somebody printed a story of a girl asks her father where they come from, and he tells her about God creating the earth and all the people, and then she asks her mother where they came from and her mother tells her they evolved from apes, and the girl goes back to her father and asks why they each told her something different and the father tells her 'I told you about my side of the family and your mother told you about HER side of the family'.
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    Post by Bluesmama Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:42 pm

    They can teach it. But I don't believe science knows even a speck about evolution.
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    Post by Supernova Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:48 pm

    Bluesmama wrote:They can teach it. But I don't believe science knows even a speck about evolution.


    I'd be surprised to find what science actually DOES know for a fact, how many years did we hear about triceratops before they said 'wait a minute, there never WAS such a dinosaur'?
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    Post by Impact Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:07 am

    Unlike creationism, which I'd be totally opposed to public school teaching, I'm indifferent about evolution being taught. They CAN teach it and it wouldn't bother me.
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    Post by Shale Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:46 pm

    Marc™️ wrote:Yes....since, unlike creationism, evolution has actually been proven.
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    And ppl who bring up wrong conclusions attributed to 'science,' they do not understand the scientific method, which involves taking your best guess based on the facts at hand. And if it sounds sound, go with it UNTIL MORE EVIDENCE SUPPORTS OR REFUTES THAT CONCLUSION. That is why science often refutes a former truth. Truth in science is open-ended and subject to upgrade, unlike faith that always follows an edict without challenge.
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    Post by CatEyes10736 Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:56 pm

    Wouldn't bother me. The theory of evolution is a lot more realistic than creationism.
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    Post by Alan Smithee Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:06 pm

    Chris wrote:We had a thread about whether or not creationism should be taught in public school.

    http://www.conversationchamber.com/t3549-should-creationism-be-taught-in-public-schools

    What about evolution? Are you for or against it being taught in public schools?

    I'm for evolution being taught because it has been proven.
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    Post by wants2laugh Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:24 pm

    honestly why not teach both? I went to a public school that taught us both. They explained it that "religion says..." and then told us "most scientists believe". This way kids have a clue as to what others believe. Why mask things from kids?
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    Post by CeCe Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:59 pm

    wants2laugh wrote:honestly why not teach both? I went to a public school that taught us both. They explained it that "religion says..." and then told us "most scientists believe". This way kids have a clue as to what others believe. Why mask things from kids?

    I don't know that it's so much masking or hiding as much as it's just not the place for it. There are so many different religions with as many different beliefs & if one is taught it would be necessary to teach all. Religious things belong in the home & the church, not the public school system. Parents who want creation taught can teach it themselves or do it through their church or use the option of a private religious school. But the public school system is not the appropriate setting for it.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:01 pm

    They can teach it as a theory, but they should teach intelligent design as well. And if atheists don't like it, they can sit on the soapbox with all the Christians who don't like evolution. Science can't prove the supernatural all that much, and evolution is a lot more fiction than science teachers will ever let on. (If it was really as true as they claim, they wouldn't need to always insert "this is really true" like statements in every discussion about it. Sounds like they are trying to convince themselves. lol)

    So I say teach both.
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    Post by CeCe Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:06 pm

    Forgiveness Man wrote:They can teach it as a theory, but they should teach intelligent design as well. And if atheists don't like it, they can sit on the soapbox with all the Christians who don't like evolution. Science can't prove the supernatural all that much, and evolution is a lot more fiction than science teachers will ever let on. (If it was really as true as they claim, they wouldn't need to always insert "this is really true" like statements in every discussion about it. Sounds like they are trying to convince themselves. lol)

    So I say teach both.

    So...you wouldn't mind the islamic view of creation being taught in the public school system as well? Because there isn't a "both". There are many views about it.
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    Post by Alan Smithee Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:50 pm

    I love the other sides selective use of the word "theory".


    A theory can be a hypothesis proposed as an explanation hence only speculation, conjecture or set of ideas about something. Like the theory of Creation. Or what anthropologists would generally call a "creation myth".

    The other use of the word on the other hand, is a theory is a system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is accepted as accounting for known facts; a statement of what are held to be general laws, principals or causes of something known or observed.

    The Nobel Prize winning scientist Linus Pauling aptly described science as the search for truth. Science does this by continuously comparing its theories objectively with evidence in the natural world. When theories no longer conform to the evidence, they are modified or rejected in favor of new theories that do conform. In other words, science constantly tries to prove its assumptions to be false and rejects implausible explanations. In this way, scientific knowledge and understanding grow over time. Religious explanations for the order of things are not science because they are based primarily on faith and do not subject themselves to be objectively falsified. Because of this fundamental difference in the approach to understanding our natural world, the U.S. Supreme Court in effect decided in 1987 that the Biblically based "creation science" is not a science and cannot be taught as such in public schools as an alternative or in addition to the mainstream evolutionary theory of the biological sciences. However, religious creation stories and the idea of "intelligent design" can be taught in philosophy, religion, or history courses. Religion and Science provide different approaches to knowledge. It is important to understand both.
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    Post by Hyacinth Girl Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:23 pm

    I think they should teach neither. While I personally am a 'creationist' in my beliefs, I think things like basic life skills are overlooked -- teach kids how to balance a checkbook, how taxes and insurance work and things that will give them a sturdy start in adult life as well as prep them for college. Knowing whether or not we evolved from apes doesn't matter shit from shinola when you don't have a decent job or are up to your eyeballs in debt because no one taught you how to manage money and credit cards.
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    Post by Shale Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:18 pm

    CeCe wrote: I don't know that it's so much masking or hiding as much as it's just not the place for it. There are so many different religions with as many different beliefs & if one is taught it would be necessary to teach all. Religious things belong in the home & the church, not the public school system. Parents who want creation taught can teach it themselves or do it through their church or use the option of a private religious school. But the public school system is not the appropriate setting for it.
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    Post by zthatzmanz28 Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:32 pm

    How about teaching students to decide for themselves? Teach the science and allow discussion of creation in a non denominational without intent of religious conversion manner? OH because religion fears science as much as science seems to fear religion...
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    Post by FireIce918 Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:04 pm

    wants2laugh wrote:honestly why not teach both? I went to a public school that taught us both. They explained it that "religion says..." and then told us "most scientists believe". This way kids have a clue as to what others believe. Why mask things from kids?

    I agree. It's fair to teach both and let someone decide which they agree with more. Simple as that.
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    Post by Shale Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:59 am

    We should therefore teach Astrology with Astronomy to give the full range of how important our universe is.

    And in Zoology we could explore how a whale, which swallows only plankton managed to get Jonah down its throat. I'm sure there are all sorts of theories on that to explore.

    Oh, surface tension and how Jesus walked on water. Do the floating steel needle in a glass of water to get little minds abuzz. (I'd play the evil 'scientist' who puts a drop of detergent in)
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    Post by wants2laugh Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:26 am

    Personally, I believe that we should teach the kids as much about the world as possible... about beliefs and everyday living. How are we supposed to expect kids to understand and respect each other if we are not to give them information?

    I must have gone to a very progressive public school because we were taught many things that people say should not have been taught. We were instructed that the school encouraged abstinence, but were still informed on the various forms of birth control. We were given drug education and taught about STDs. I really think that my school was really good.

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