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That's a very wishy-washy (and therefore weak) answer Forgiveness Man. Especially considering the fact that your very FIRST sentence in your very FIRST response was this: I cannot see this being allowed in America. Mixed messages?Forgiveness Man wrote:@ Bryce: ACTUALLY, now YOU are the one who needs fact checking. I NEVER said that kids should not be ALLOWED at nude beaches; I said they SHOULDN'T be at nude beaches. There IS a difference. I remember specifically stating that I don't believe legislation should ban it (although a beach itself has every right to).
But let's say that I actually buy this (for arguments sake), while YOU may not have said that it shouldn't be allowed, NYstyle certainly DID. Because her first response was quote: "With other adults? LOL. No."
You're not really claiming anything then, other than the fact that you wouldn't take your kid to a nude beach. Good on you! But if you are going to suggest that it is wrong for other people to do so (which you HAVE) then you should be prepaired to back that argument up with something of substance. Just saying that it's wrong "in your opinion" doesn't cut it! That's neither a discussion nor a debate but a declaration. So if (after following NYstyles illogical argument in which she defended your position as part of her own) I inadvertently mixed your position and hers up, I apologize.Forgiveness Man wrote:My comments merely spoke to the merits of it, not the legality of it. So right there, your entire argument about me kinda falls apart. (I never will nor will I ever claim to speak for NYStyle) So your entire accusations that I have no facts for my "view" are based on YOUR incorrect assumptions about what I am claiming.
Then let me put it another way (so that there is no confusion). You are NOT narrow-minded because you don't want to take your own kids to a nude beach. Whatever your reasons are, you have that right and it's based soley off your opinion. You ARE narrow-minded IF you think that A) children shouldn't be allowed at nude beaches OR B) you think that other people are WRONG for choosing to take their children to nude beaches (especially if you can't say why). Many of your arguments have fell along the "B" side and make you out to be narrow-minded. But if neither of these is actually your true position, then I stand corrected and we can move on.Forgiveness Man wrote:What I was claiming was that it's probably best for kids to not go to nude beaches, not that they shouldn't be allowed there. In other words, it's what I call a Class B opposition.(Kind of like where I stand on premarital sex, although to a lesser degree.) So your entire post is kinda nullified. lol Cause I ain't arguing what you've accused me or arguing, never have.
There weren't really any facts in your point of view but at this point it's irrelevant. I didn't bring your name into this, you brought your own name into this when you insisted that people were accusing you of being narrow-minded for "disagreeing" with them. NYstyle also brought your name into it when she quoted you and agreed with you.Forgiveness Man wrote:So I rest my case, this isn't a "fact" issue, it's an opinion issue. Both sides got their "facts" about how their view is good but it's all ultimate a preference. It may even be a "you see what you want to see" case but it's still just opinion. Again, I can't speak for NYStyle. But you did bring my name into it and in regards to what I said, you are just flat out wrong.
And I think you should let your kids go to nude beaches without you.
BTW, I think you and I are probably closer to being in "agreement" about this issue than you realize. I think it's perfectly okay if other people choose to bring their kids to nude beaches (although I probably wouldn't). But it's your assesment of the potential "harm" it would do that causes us to disagree. I see nothing wrong with nudity or nudism (regardless of age).
Frankly, I see nothing wrong with this:
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Chris' note:
Sorry Cap., but I had to remove that. The server people may not be quite so liberal about images featuring nude children, no matter how innocent it is.
And NYStyle is not me. 
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