Re: Forgiveness Man

1) - Th church's influence, while still at large on a grand scale, has been diminished from what it used to be. The stronghold grip it had in certain European is almost entirely gone, and in America, people are finally starting to realize that they can think for themselves and don't need a hypocritical organization to tell them how to live.

2) - When I said I used ONE condom from the package, I should also state, for the record, that during that time frame, I also only had sex one time. So, yeah, the free condom? Worked. And I didn't sleep around. And even if I did sleep around, so long as I'm using the provided condoms, I don't see the issue. Sex? Sex is fun. The church doesn't want me to have sex until I'm married, but they also don't want me to get married, so... yeah, Christianity and any other organized religion just does not fit in with my life. Yes, my 'modern' life, but it's modern because I don't have a time machine. I'm here now. I'm not going to waste my life away restricting myself to rules that I don't think make any sort of sense.

1. People have always "thought for themselves." Too bad they suck at it. But it's nothing new. People have ALWAYS done what they wanted; that's nothing new. People's predicting the doom of the Church for centuries. Pretending helps their worldview seem less phony.

2. Most people want religion and God to conform to their personal whims; they always have. As for your free condom, you could've easily bought a box too. If you want condoms, buy them or shut up! You don't have a right to free condoms! You can live without sex so there is absolutely NO need to give out free condoms. They're readily available. If you want them, try Walmart.

Why? They're free. Why the fuck should I pay for something that's FREE.

Sex has long been recognized as a physiological need of human beings.

I do not believe for one second that offering free condoms makes people behave promiscuously.

2xy wrote:

Sex has long been recognized as a physiological need of human beings.

I do not believe for one second that offering free condoms makes people behave promiscuously.

Nor does anyone else outside the church.

It's like saying that because cigarrettes are "legal", it entices people to smoke! Or that the legalization of marijuana would cause more people to abuse drugs. It doesn't make any sense. People that want to smoke are going to smoke and people that don't aren't! With regard to condoms EVERYONE is going to decide to have sex at some point (whether it be as a horny teenager or later on), and inevitably some people are going to do so whether they have a condom or not. In fact, most teens feel awkward about even being seen purchasing condoms! While giving out free condoms might not STOP the HIV epidemic or prevent ALL unwanted pregnancies, it certainly will help. And it's irresponsible to say that we SHOULDN'T give out condoms when people are going to have sex anyway. There is no logic in that argument!

captainbryce wrote:

2xy wrote:

Sex has long been recognized as a physiological need of human beings.

I do not believe for one second that offering free condoms makes people behave promiscuously.

Nor does anyone else outside the church.

That's why everything's so screwed up! Nuff said!

As for sex being a biological need, the vast majority of priests are perfectly okay without it. They live long, happy, and often healthy lives. So much for tolerance of them.

At the end of the day, people still reveal their own inner doubts when they feel the need to attack an institution with no power over them.

Forgiveness Man wrote:

captainbryce wrote:

Nor does anyone else outside the church.

That's why everything's so screwed up! Nuff said!

Everything is so "screwed up" because MOST PEOPLE don't believe that condoms create promiscuity? That's a rather bold statement. I hope you have some facts to back that up, or is this just an unsubstantiated "opinion".

Forgiveness Man wrote:

As for sex being a biological need, the vast majority of priests are perfectly okay without it. They live long, happy, and often healthy lives. So much for tolerance of them.

That FACT is also questionable (especially considering some of the sex scandals Cathlic priests have been known for recently). Either way, the point is that most people are driven to do it. Whether or not it's a "need" or not is irrelevant. So long as that instinct is there, you aren't going to stop it by preaching abstenence. And with that in mind, where i the logic in NOT offering condoms?

Everything is screwed up (in part) because people are promiscuous. And they think condoms are going to save them from the folly of promiscuity. If they had the faith in God that they had in unreliable pieces of rubber, the world might not be so screwed up. lol

Very few Catholic priests have had a scandal, so yeah, most priests are content with celibacy. People just run with the extreme minority of cases and try to stereotype all priests with them. It's kinda pathetic actually.

I say you are going to stop it by preaching it right(more than just "Don't do it."). I've seen it done well. People have drives to do all kinds of things that aren't good for them. People are just stubborn and want their will to be paramount. I've never been one to be a slave to drives. People don't see anything to they do or want to do as wrong. We live in the world of "ME."

2xy wrote:

Sex has long been recognized as a physiological need of human beings.

I do not believe for one second that offering free condoms makes people behave promiscuously.

Co-sign.

I was talking to my cousin about it yesterday and he said that he gets free condoms all of the time and hasn't had sex in months. I'm sure that applies to many people, so that theory of it promoting promiscuity really has no basis.

Anyway, if an individual is promiscuous, who am I to sit back and judge them especially if they are trying to be safe about it.

^^^^It has plenty basis. But that doesn't mean that everyone who gets them will do it. lol And if your cousin hasn't had sex in months, then he has no need of free condoms. (And we're just wasting our time giving them out and not really solving anything) So the idea of giving out free condoms; THAT has no basis. I think it's just a way to trick ourselves into thinking we actually are doing something proactive.

^^^^^Is there a link to a site that shows that distributing free condoms promotes promiscuity?

I have a friend that works with a company that educates men and women in third world countries about birth control and practicing safer sex. They give out condoms, the pill and they educate about IUD's. Do you think that's wrong and it promotes promiscuity?

I don't know how anyone thinks that educating and promoting safer sex practices is wrong. Forget about abstinence. It's not human nature and frankly I don't think God, mother nature, or whatever force one believes in created sexual organs for them not to be used.

^^^^I'm sure there is. I don't link to websites because there's a website that says everything. It'd be shallow to consider a website as proof. But yes, I'm sure many such pages exist. I'm too lazy to search for them given the nature of internet forums.

I think all 'education' about contraception to anybody is morally wrong due to my religious beliefs. BUT, I ALSO believe it to be something to make people feel more in control than they actually are.

Nobody is saying that the organs shouldn't be used AT ALL. And saying that God wants what you want? Well, that's typical. "If God didn't want me to rape the boy, he would've stopped me." Yeah, sure. And you don't know how anybody could disagree? Of course you don't; that'd actually require seeing the other side of things. We can't have that; we might ACTUALLY have to control ourselves.

Free condom distribution is just a mask for irresponsibility.

Forgiveness Man wrote:

I think all 'education' about contraception to anybody is morally wrong due to my religious beliefs. BUT, I ALSO believe it to be something to make people feel more in control than they actually are.

Forgiveness Man wrote:

I think all 'education' about contraception to anybody is morally wrong due to my religious beliefs. BUT, I ALSO believe it to be something to make people feel more in control than they actually are.

I am rarely rendered speechless, but congratulations.

Forgiveness Man wrote:

captainbryce wrote:

Nor does anyone else outside the church.

That's why everything's so screwed up! Nuff said!

As for sex being a biological need, the vast majority of priests are perfectly okay without it. They live long, happy, and often healthy lives. So much for tolerance of them.

How many priests have you spoken to about their sexual lives? Unless you have some sort of source with which to back your assertion, your assertion is meaningless.

I don't think that lifelong abstinence is healthy, in general, and seriously doubt that most priests aren't pleasuring themselves from time to time.

As for "nuff said," I agree. Once religion finds its way in to a discussion, the discussion is pretty much over.

We live in a small town in the interior of BC, there are a couple of places people can go for free condoms. I praise the efforts . Condom use isn't 100% but should help a lot as long as people actually use them. I remember working at 7-11 when I caught a little boy (I mean he was all of 12 and 5 ft tall) stealing a pack of condoms. I asked for them back. He said "I didn't think you would sell them to me". I didn't laugh but I chewed him out for trying to steal them . After wards I thought about it and yes if any kids came in and wanted to buy condoms I would sell them, because having sex isn't a killing offense.

2xy wrote:

Forgiveness Man wrote:

That's why everything's so screwed up! Nuff said!

As for sex being a biological need, the vast majority of priests are perfectly okay without it. They live long, happy, and often healthy lives. So much for tolerance of them.

How many priests have you spoken to about their sexual lives? Unless you have some sort of source with which to back your assertion, your assertion is meaningless.

I don't think that lifelong abstinence is healthy, in general, and seriously doubt that most priests aren't pleasuring themselves from time to time.

As for "nuff said," I agree. Once religion finds its way in to a discussion, the discussion is pretty much over.

The entire thread is also meaningless. Who cares what the Pope says if you are not Catholic? As for how many priests I've spoken to, I've actually heard quite a few talk on the issue. Frankly I find it funny how people make all these assumptions about priests, ALSO, without talking to them.

Well your assertion about what priests do from time to time is also meaningless. Only religious have lifelong abstinence in the Church. And I don't see why it's not healthy. The sexual escapades of the masses certainly isn't proving to be healthy. And a rubber obviously isn't the magic cure it's made out to be.

Well, I guess I could say the same thing about anti-religious attitudes. Once secularism finds it's way into a discussion, it's already over. I do find it hard to believe that people get indignant about religion being talked about in a thread that begins with a mention of the pope. Even more proof that the entire discussion is worthless. I think people just feel the need to attack the Church because they everyday disprove the ridiculous assumptions made to justify promiscuous behavior. Thus, they must be vilified.

@ CeCe: Truth makes people speechless. It's everything else we all gotta chime in on.

Forgiveness Man wrote:

2xy wrote:

How many priests have you spoken to about their sexual lives? Unless you have some sort of source with which to back your assertion, your assertion is meaningless.

I don't think that lifelong abstinence is healthy, in general, and seriously doubt that most priests aren't pleasuring themselves from time to time.

As for "nuff said," I agree. Once religion finds its way in to a discussion, the discussion is pretty much over.

The entire thread is also meaningless. Who cares what the Pope says if you are not Catholic? As for how many priests I've spoken to, I've actually heard quite a few talk on the issue. Frankly I find it funny how people make all these assumptions about priests, ALSO, without talking to them.

Well your assertion about what priests do from time to time is also meaningless. Only religious have lifelong abstinence in the Church. And I don't see why it's not healthy. The sexual escapades of the masses certainly isn't proving to be healthy. And a rubber obviously isn't the magic cure it's made out to be.

Well, I guess I could say the same thing about anti-religious attitudes. Once secularism finds it's way into a discussion, it's already over. I do find it hard to believe that people get indignant about religion being talked about in a thread that begins with a mention of the pope. Even more proof that the entire discussion is worthless. I think people just feel the need to attack the Church because they everyday disprove the ridiculous assumptions made to justify promiscuous behavior. Thus, they must be vilified.

@ CeCe: Truth makes people speechless. It's everything else we all gotta chime in on.

Why you lookin for free condoms Lil Bro? Some little secret you want to share with me?

^^^^^^Who wants free condoms? If I wanted condoms, I know exactly where to buy them. Not that I would waste my money on them since I got no plans to sleep around. Why would I? I lack the faith in shoddy pieces of rubber to protect me from life altering consequences! Therefore, I exercise the self control to not be a slave to my drives. Why settle for "might" when I get "definitely"?

Forgiveness Man wrote:

^^^^^^Who wants free condoms? If I wanted condoms, I know exactly where to buy them. Not that I would waste my money on them since I got no plans to sleep around. Why would I? I lack the faith in shoddy pieces of rubber to protect me from life altering consequences! Therefore, I exercise the self control to not be a slave to my drives. Why settle for "might" when I get "definitely"?

Thats my lil bro he is a good catholic boy. Not like his big bro that can be bad at times but very safe.

Tony Marino wrote:

Forgiveness Man wrote:

^^^^^^Who wants free condoms? If I wanted condoms, I know exactly where to buy them. Not that I would waste my money on them since I got no plans to sleep around. Why would I? I lack the faith in shoddy pieces of rubber to protect me from life altering consequences! Therefore, I exercise the self control to not be a slave to my drives. Why settle for "might" when I get "definitely"?

Thats my lil bro he is a good catholic boy. Not like his big bro that can be bad at times but very safe.

I'll need to put you in one of them rehabilitation centers!

Hey, I'm plenty safe!

Forgiveness Man wrote:

Tony Marino wrote:

Thats my lil bro he is a good catholic boy. Not like his big bro that can be bad at times but very safe.

I'll need to put you in one of them rehabilitation centers!

Hey, I'm plenty safe!

LOL I am not that bad!! You do whatever you feel is right my lil bro.

^^^^Everyone's in denial! This is for your own good Big Bro!

Forgiveness Man wrote:

^^^^Everyone's in denial! This is for your own good Big Bro!

UH OH!