Being pro-war and anti-abortion.

Forgiveness Man wrote:No it doesn't contend on that. I didn't say they were delusional, exactly. I can think plenty outside the box. No, I am not missing the point. I just am rejecting it. Just cause you don't believe somebody is a human doesn't give you the right to kill them.

And I did notice how your idea that personhood is basically subjective actually opens up quite a lot of debate doors. I'd kick my way through if I wasn't bored with the bickering.

You didn't have to say it. It's implied in your analogy!

You're rejecting a point out of spite, not because you are actually following it! That's pretty much the same thing as missing it altogheter.

Yes it does. I have the right to kill the tree in my backyard because I don't consider it a person. The law grants me that right, just as it grants the right of mothers to terminate their fetuses (because they are not considered PEOPLE). You may disagree with that right, but they have it nonetheless! The individual often doesn't believe that a fetus is a person and the law tends to agree!

Yes I did realize that...

I don't believe you (about the bickering that is)

No it isn't at all. (I'm refraining from saying what I really think. )

I don't reject things on spite. I reject them because I disagree with them. I see your point; I just reject it.

Well we've seen the dirty history of the "law." I don't judge right and wrong based on the law. And frankly, if a person's personhood is defined only by the law, then our society is doomed. Of course, those arguments like yours didn't deter those who wanted to end slavery, and it won't deter those who want to end abortion.

You don't believe me? (Maybe cause you're sore at me. ) And I thought Lost was shocking.

Forgiveness Man wrote:No it isn't at all. (I'm refraining from saying what I really think. )

I don't reject things on spite. I reject them because I disagree with them. I see your point; I just reject it.

Well we've seen the dirty history of the "law." I don't judge right and wrong based on the law. And frankly, if a person's personhood is defined only by the law, then our society is doomed. Of course, those arguments like yours didn't deter those who wanted to end slavery, and it won't deter those who want to end abortion.

You don't believe me? (Maybe cause you're sore at me. ) And I thought Lost was shocking.

"Disagree", "reject", whatever you want to call it, you've done it out of spite because you can't justify the WHY!

And no, you have not demonstrated that "you see the point" because the analogy you made right after I made the point about "personhood" being defined differently by different people (If a delusional person suddenly believes that Bob down the street is not a person, does Bob's murder become acceptable?) indicated that the point went over your head. You resorted to the same circular logic! Pro-choice people are only delusional because YOU deem them to be. The law, DOESN'T.

By the way, rights are granted by the law! Whether you agree with them or not doesn't mean that it isn't a right. I'm not saying I agree with the law as it stands now and I agree with you that the law is not always correct. But it is what it is and until the vast majority of people believe that a fetus is a person (which they don't), the law is unlikely to change as in the case of slavery.

Me disbelieving you has nothing to do with being "sore" at you. It has to do with the fact that you continue to prove yourself wrong by carrying on the debate! You LUV the bickering otherwise you wouldn't continue to do it.

I can justify why just fine. Why you quit with the spite already?

I got the point just fine. I never said all Pro-Choice people are delusional. I don't believe that they are either. You're starting to amuse me.

Sorry, but I disagree.

I have yet to prove myself wrong. That is just a bully tactic to upset me. And if I loved the bickering, I wouldn't shorten my posts. You're the one here who loves bickering. (And you're sore at me. )

Forgiveness Man wrote:I can justify why just fine. Why you quit with the spite already?

I got the point just fine. I never said all Pro-Choice people are delusional. I don't believe that they are either. You're starting to amuse me.

Sorry, but I disagree.

I have yet to prove myself wrong. That is just a bully tactic to upset me. And if I loved the bickering, I wouldn't shorten my posts. You're the one here who loves bickering. (And you're sore at me. )

If you could have, you would have done it by now!

I don't think you do. And if you did, then your analogy was inapprorpiate. You CONSTANTLY amuse me (that's why I continue to engage you, or haven't you figured that out yet)?

I know you do.

If you didn't luv the bickering, you wouldn't still be bickering.

Yes, I do like the bickering, but only when it remains close to the topic (which sadly, this one isn't which is why I'm going to have to abandon this for the sake of other posts).

Oh, and I'm not "sore" at you (I don't even really know what that means). I suspect that means you think I'm mad at you, alas I am not. Though your proclamation yesterday of being some sort of active champion for human rights made me kind of nauscious (considering what I actually do for a living), today it just gives me something to laugh at. That being said, water under the bridge. Certain things I just can't take seriously and that's one of them.

Actually, no I wouldn't have. I hold my "tongue" a lot on this forum.

If I amuse me, why are you ignoring my messages? (And I know I amuse you.

I've been done bickering for awhile. I'm kind of just riding the waves to shore now.

Well then HELLO! Stop ignoring my messages! And "active champion?" I'm beginning to see why I am so amusing to you. You see me in hyperbole! I can only imagine how you'd see me if I actually engaged you!

I think I remember reading somewhere that in some Christian circles there's a "difference" between killing and murdering. Ironically enough, "murdering" (i.e., the kind of killing that is mentioned in the 10 commandments, abortion, genocide) is bad, while "killing" (i.e., self defense, killing during war, capital punishment etc) isn't (as) bad. It's probably a lot easier to support war and be pro-life if you hold this view.

I disagree with this type of dichotomizing of taking a life, but, hey, the world is a rainbow.

Marc™ wrote:I think I remember reading somewhere that in some Christian circles there's a "difference" between killing and murdering. Ironically enough, "murdering" (i.e., the kind of killing that is mentioned in the 10 commandments, abortion, genocide) is bad, while "killing" (i.e., self defense, killing during war, capital punishment etc) isn't (as) bad. It's probably a lot easier to support war and be pro-life if you hold this view.

I disagree with this type of dichotomizing of taking a life, but, hey, the world is a rainbow.

Are you saying that you don't see a difference between killing someone in self defense and murdering a random person?