The 'Barack Obama' Discussion Thread [merged]

Reign wrote:^ I agree. I think Obama's intentions are great, that his bigger picture plans are nicely conceived and could be beneficial in the long run, but he tends to tread too lightly for the sake of appeasing or not affronting different sects. That makes him look weak. As horrid as Bush was, the one better quality he had was that he made blatant decisions (though often bad) and stubbornly stuck by them. He didn't flip flop and couldn't be swayed from his final decisions.

But I'll definitely vote for him again.

Forgiveness_Man wrote:^^^^More and more people are seeing that as flawed as he was(and he was very flawed), ole Bushy is worlds better than Obama.
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Why? If only cause he wasn't out to tank the country with a bunch of damaging legislation.
Okay, so he didn't mean to do it? He was just badly advised? Yeah, we'll go ahead and accept that one.
The economy was good under Bush until the Dems took over Congress and it's been downhill ever since.
. Let's see here....Bush took a surplus and spent it into oblivion. That alone doesn't qualify him being good on any means. Gas prices tripled. Twenty-two million jobs that were created are gone because of his 'damaging legislation'. Spent all the money on a bullshit war. Are you serious? Only you crazy Republicans are going to try to say Obama is spending more than Bush. He spending money trying to HELP Americans (which all of you failed to do) and he's getting crucified for it.
I think Bush was also better simply because he took responsibility instead of constantly laying the blame to somebody else. I would love to hear Obama do that one day.

He finally took responsibility for his dumbness? Yeah, that's a good one.

As for Obama's performance, I am not disappointed. He is every bit as bad as I thought he'd be and things are happening exactly as I thought they would, including people slowly waking up to see him for the dope that he is.(Of course he still has his fans, I am thinking of those who wouldn't vote for anybody with a D next to their name. ) The guy hasn't done one thing I agree with yet, and I don't think he's done one thing that's actually going to help the country in the short or the long run. The guy talks big(excuse me, reads) and passes bills promising that they'll do great things, but those claims are easy to see through. IDK if this guy is evil in intending for all of this to happen, or just stupid. It doesn't really matter, what matters is that his performance SUCKS. And frankly, I am tired of people justifying it saying that "He's better than Bush!" I'm waiting for this guy to stand on his own merits, but he really doesn't have any to stand on. There's just nothing about this guy that's good for the country. His benefits are all talk, and his negatives all too real. I expect a certain few to fry me for this with insults and such, but that's to be expected. Celebrities have fangirls.

I wish nothing but good things for Obama and his family, but I wish these good things for him AWAY from Washington DC.

Nystyle709 wrote:
Exactly WHAT is Obama doing that is so horrid?

Forgiveness_Man wrote:

He didn't tank the country though. lol Obama is!

Bush had a surplus cause Clinton neglected the millitary.

I could have a surplus too if I neglected to pay my bills. lol Gas prices went up but Bush got them back then. Obama came in and they doubled since he took office, and it's only been 1.5 years.

Obama is NOT spending money to help Americans, he's just using that as a front and the gullible believe him.(I like your contradiction though) He's not helping the people. And I am not even a Republican, so hush. And nobody can deny that Obama is spending more than Bush did. As for the war, Obama still has us at war so I guess he's no better than ole Bushy.

He didn't bring change, just the same ole failed policies. Bush was really dumb, but still smarter than Obama.

Obama can't take responsibility for anything dumb he does, and he does a lot of dumb things.

What hasn't he done that's horrid? Massive spending bills, growing government out the wazoo, giving us a bunch of hacks for the court, he's done nothing right. All he does is talk a good game and then try to sell his crappy legislation under the guise of "helping people" and "free stuff," never mind that none of his bills will do any of that.(Well, I shouldn't say that, I am sure government is benefiting a lot at our expense) I am all for helping people, hence why Obama needs to get out of DC and let somebody with a brain run the country. The guy is an empty suit who hasn't done a damn thing to help the country. Oh yeah, Bush was bad is the defense. Well Bush is no longer the president and it's about time Obama stand on his own merits. But he can't, cause he's got none. The only way to make Obama look good is to shout "BUSH!"

Marc wrote:Who was the better president:


or




And why?

Forgiveness_Man wrote:^^^^And Obama doesn't lie? Maybe not, he might actually believe the shite he says.

Forgiveness_Man wrote:Clinton didn't give us a good economy. The Republicans did when they took over in 95, and the economy still tanked by 2000 cause Clinton was at the helm. Clinton didn't give us a good economy. Clinton is overrated, but still better than Obama. (And I am glad you support cutting funding for the men and women who serve our country, just like Clinton did.) So I guess Obama does make me miss the days of Clinton. Just when I thought ole Screwaround was bad, we get this guy.

"Obama inherited this mess!" I am so tired of hearing that. It's not true, it never was. Obama inherited a recession he helped to create when the crats took over the congress, and he's taken a bad situation and made it worse. The guy needs to stop blaming Bush and start realizing that the mess we're in is mostly HIS fault. I guess Obama is teaching us our multiplication tables as he multiplies the debt.

Americans do have fickle memories, hence how a moron like Obama got in with his promises of failed policies. And he's not right, the facts prove that. And I never expected everything to be fixed by him(Nothing this guy does surprises me). He's taken active steps to make things worse like I knew he would. More and more people are seeing that Obama makes a moron like Bush like smart. The guy is an empty suit who hasn't done a damn thing to make things better, aside from make the Democrats more unpopular.

captainbryce wrote:Like I said, the Jury is still out on Obama. He still has many promises yet to fulfill but I do think he is at least making an attempt to do so. The question should be has he been caught in a bold face lie to the American people nearly as great as what the Bush administration did when they lied about Iraq? NO! And THAT'S why Bush was not only a worse President than Obama, but probably one of the worst of all time!

Wadsworth wrote:Obama haters like pretending he got some magic wand that's gonna automatically fix everything Bush fucked up in the 8 yrs before him in a single wave.

Hillary Clinton for Vice President in 2012? Biden 'Trade Talk' Murmur Could Swell

Washington's chattering class, never timid about giving advice to the
president of the United States, is floating the idea of Secretary of
State Hillary Clinton becoming Barack Obama's running mate in two years.

Time magazine, in an item Wednesday on its website,
said Obama perhaps should consider the proposition -- "dump Biden"
would be part of it -- as he begins planning for his reelection bid in
2012. "Amid two wars, a stubborn unemployment rate, an oil spill . . .
might the White House need a little star power to jump-start what could
be a tougher reelection than expected?" writes contributor Dan
Fastenberg. "As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton has been striking
the same tone as Team No Drama Obama, as opposed to the human gaffe
machine." Hmm, would that be Vice President Joe Biden and his big
bleeping deal health care law?

The
latest round of I-don't-have-anything-better-to-do-today speculation
began earlier this month when former Virginia Gov. Doug Wilder wrote in
a Politico
op-ed piece that Obama should replace Biden with Clinton, in part
because she would help win back "middle-class independent voters," who
have drifted away from the president. Working-class voters, says
Wilder, have always been "more enamored of Clinton." The former
governor, who is African American, didn't say it, but "working class"
in this context could be code for white voters, a group Hillary ran
stronger among than did Obama when they opposed each other -- sometimes
bitterly -- in the 2008 primary campaign. Wilder goes on to make a case
against Biden, saying his verbal blunders are not only fodder for
late-night comedians but have undermined "what little confidence the
public may have in him."

In a piece for the Washington Post
website in June, Sally Quinn wrote that Clinton and Biden, former
chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, should switch jobs.
"Really," she says. Really? Her argument is that Clinton has done "an
incredible job" at State and, even in her late 60s, would be a strong
candidate for president in 2016, while Biden, who is older, has no
intention of seeking the White House. In the short-term, Obama and
Clinton would be a "near-unbeatable team" in 2012, according to Quinn.

A month earlier Politics Daily's Eleanor Clift
beat everyone to the punch by suggesting the same thing. She wrote that
"Obama's loyalty only goes so far," and if polls show an Obama-Clinton
ticket would run stronger in 2012, he "might well have Biden step
aside." Besides, Clift argued, Biden "would be a natural at the State
Department."

But insofar as a 2016 presidential candidacy is concerned, Hillary
Clinton has already said her White House aspirations are history. And
does it matter that she can arguably offer more service to the American
people as secretary of state than as vice president, a job FDR vice
president John Nance Garner described as "not worth a bucket of warm
spit." (Actually, the salty Gardner reportedly used a stronger term
than spit). Biden, for his part, has emerged as a valuable foreign
policy adviser to Obama, a roving ambassador, vigorous partisan
campaigner and all-around good guy. Does he talk too much? Sometimes.
But that would be just as true at Foggy Bottom as it is in the vice
president's office.

It's been more than three decades since a president has thrown his vice
president overboard. A change at the top can be seen as a sign of
disarray, panic even. Dan Quayle, regarded by his critics as a
lightweight, survived in 1992 but the Bush-Quayle ticket lost to
Clinton-Gore. The last president to make a change was Republican Gerald
Ford, who replaced Vice President Nelson Rockefeller with Sen. Bob Dole
in 1976 and went on to lose to a peanut farmer from Georgia named Jimmy
Carter.

Barack Obama considered Hillary Clinton for vice president in 2008.
Ultimately, he decided she was a better fit at the State Department.
Good call.

stonestatic wrote:I think Hillary should have been his VP all along. After she lost to him in the '08 primary, Obama should have made her his running mate.