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    WTF is the point of being a Vegan?

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    Post by stonestatic Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:19 pm

    Desperate cry for attention or is it actually proven to be healthier for you? Seriously, why?


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    Post by Alan Smithee Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:30 pm

    Although research studies on vegans are few in number, there are some things that have been clearly shown. It is observed that vegans are significantly thinner, their blood pressure levels are lower, and they have lower blood cholesterol and LDL cholesterol levels than other vegetarians and much lower levels than those who eat meat (omnivores). These factors all translate into a lower risk of cardiovascular disease. The lower body weight would also be associated with a lower risk of cancer and diabetes.

    These health advantages can be partly explained by the fact that vegan diets are richer in dietary fiber, higher in potassium and magnesium, folic acid, the antioxidant vitamins C and E, and the health-promoting phytochemicals. Fruits and vegetables, whole grains, legumes, and nuts have all shown protective characteristics against the major chronic diseases.

    Those who consume high levels of these plant foods show lower levels of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, osteoporosis, and some cancers, compared with those who consume low levels of the plant foods. In addition, the use of spices such as turmeric, ginger, garlic, and onions to flavor food protects the consumer against cancer, stroke and heart disease.

    Eliminating meat from the diet may not lower your saturated fat and cholesterol intake if a considerable use is made of milk, eggs and cheese. However, if one uses non-fat dairy products and egg whites (without the yolk), then the saturated fat and cholesterol intake will be considerably reduced. The dairy products can carry a slight risk of Listeriosis and Salmonella poisoning as well as allergies from milk protein and antibiotic residues in the milk. On the other hand, eggs carry a risk of salmonellosis and must be thoroughly cooked before consumption. The elderly, pregnant women and children are particularly vulnerable to improperly cooked eggs due to their partially compromised immune system.

    Is There a Downside to Eating a Vegan Diet?
    There are always questions about calcium and vitamin D intakes and the impact these have upon risk of bone fractures in vegans. Eliminating dairy from the diet does remove a good source of calcium from the diet. Vegans can get their daily needs of calcium from dark green leafy vegetables (such as broccoli, Brussels sprouts, kale, and bok choy), calcium-fortified soy and rice beverages, and cereals, and calcium-fortified orange and apple juices. Tofu, oranges, tahini, figs, and sweet potatoes also provide useful amounts of calcium.

    A large study in the United Kingdom showed that common bone fractures were no more common in vegans provided they consumed over 525 mg calcium a day. In addition to calcium, other components of a plant-based diet that are believed to protect the integrity of bone structure are potassium, magnesium, vitamin K, soy, and certain culinary herbs, such as thyme, sage, and rosemary.

    The potassium- and magnesium-rich fruits and vegetables provide an alkaline residue which protects against bone loss. This alkaline residue is especially important to the aging kidney which has a problem with handling excess acid. Vitamin K-rich leafy vegetables facilitate the formation of the essential bone protein osteocalcin. Women with a higher vitamin K intake (a green leafy vegetable at least once a day) had a 45 percent reduced risk of hip fractures compared to those women with a low intake (eating a leafy vegetable less than once a week).

    Soy is particularly useful in protecting against loss of bone mineral density especially in post-menopausal women. The isoflavones in soy are also reported to significantly promote bone formation and inhibit bone loss. Two servings of soy per day provides the optimal effect.

    Vitamin D that is required for calcium metabolism can be obtained from vitamin D-fortified cereals, margarines, and soy beverages. During the winter months, vitamin D –rich foods are essential since very little, if any, vitamin D is synthesized by the body during the winter months for those living north of Denver and Washington DC.

    Iron deficiency is a worldwide concern for everyone, especially women of child-bearing age. Eliminating dairy from the diet has no impact on iron status since milk is a very poor source of iron. Furthermore, the iron in egg is not readily bioavailable. Hence, the vegan is not considered to be at any greater risk of iron deficiency compared with other vegetarians.

    A major concern for those who subsist solely on plant foods has been vitamin B12. While meat, milk and eggs have ample vitamin B12 , plants contain none. Vitamin B12 deficiency can have serious consequences such as early dementia, lack of coordination, forgetfulness, nerve dysfunction, memory loss, disorientation, difficulty with concentration, and difficulty with one’s balance when walking.

    It is important for vegans to daily consume foods fortified with vitamin B12 such as fortified soy and rice beverages, some cereals and meat analogs. Reading labels is important to ensure one has an adequate intake. In fact, all persons who are fifty years of age and above should consume foods that are fortified with vitamin B12 since they may have decreased stomach acid to digest the vitamin B12 in animal foods.

    Long chain omega-3 fatty acids are important for cardiovascular health as well as brain and eye function. The fatty acids can be obtained from fish. The vegetarian can now obtain the omega-3 fatty acid DHA from microalgae supplements. In addition, the body can convert alpha-linolenic acid to the long chain fatty omega-3 fatty acid DHA, although this is a fairly inefficient process. Alpha-linolenic acid can be obtained from a variety of vegetable sources, including flax seed, canola oil, walnuts, tofu, soy beverages, and soy products.

    Conclusion
    By appropriate food selections a vegetarian can chose to eliminate all animal products from their diet and still have a nutritionally adequate diet. An unwise selection of foods can leave one short of certain nutrients and may induce deficiency symptoms and adverse health outcomes. Following a plant-based diet lowers the risk of age-related problems such as overweight, high blood pressure, and heart disease.

    http://www.vegetarian-nutrition.info/updates/vegan-diets-pros-cons.php

    If I was on my own I think I could at least give it a try. There's a scene in Pulp Fiction where Samuel L. Jackson's character says that his girlfriend is a vegetarian which pretty much makes him a vegetarian. Same for me but in reverse. I am on record here as enjoying the taste of dead animal flesh but I would be willing to try it to see what kind of difference it made.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:32 pm

    WTF is the point of being a Vegan? 2517814472 It's just a lifestyle choice for some people. I don't think being a vegan means you're healthier than a non vegan.
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    Post by Shale Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:40 pm

    I never considered Vegans to be doing for health reasons. I thot they were doing it not to exploit animals.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:03 pm

    Meh, you can be as healthy as you want and end up dead from a car crash. I am not saying that Big Macs should be regular staples in your diet but I am one for moderation. Being a vegan to me sees as extreme as living on McDonald's and the like. I say make reasonable efforts to live healthily but don't obsess over avoiding anything and everything that might increase your chances of disease.

    Besides, I can see Vegans actually being fatter since at least some of them are likely eat a lot of carbs. If they truly lived on fruits, nuts, and veggies, maybe they'd be healthier. But I wonder just how many do when they aren't being studied.

    Either way, I could never be a Vegan. Even if I could stomach the diet in terms of taste, veggies do a number on my digestive system. I'd have daily indigestion to a greater level if I lived on only veggies and that would eventually catch up with me.
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    Post by Bluesmama Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:21 pm

    I think most people do it to avoid animal products entirely. They don't eat eggs or even honey. Sounds boring as hell to me but kudos to those who can do it. Me, I don't like most vegetables, so I'd be screwed as a mild vegetarian, let alone vegan.
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    Post by Supernova Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:57 am

    Here's one thing I don't get, if you don't eat any dairy, where do you get calcium from? Sure there's calcium fortified orange juice and stuff but I wouldn't be having that 3 times a day. Or soy milk? From soy beans? Exactly HOW do you milk a bean? Huh? Or do I even want to know?
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    Post by Alan Smithee Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:46 am

    Supernova wrote:Here's one thing I don't get, if you don't eat any dairy, where do you get calcium from? Sure there's calcium fortified orange juice and stuff but I wouldn't be having that 3 times a day. Or soy milk? From soy beans? Exactly HOW do you milk a bean? Huh? Or do I even want to know?
    Because you've been brainwashed by the dairy industry.
    A study published in the January, 2001 edition of the American
    Journal of Clinical Nutrition examined the diets of 1,035 women,
    particularly focusing on the protein intake from animal and vegetable
    products. Deborah Sellmeyer, M.D., found:

    ANIMAL PROTEIN INCREASES BONE LOSS

    In her study, women with a high animal-to-vegetable protein ratio
    experienced an increased rate of femoral neck bone loss. A high animal-
    to-vegetable protein ratio was also associated with an increased risk of
    hip fracture.

    WHY DOES ANIMAL PROTEIN CAUSE BONE LOSS?

    I spoke with Dr. Sellmeyer, and here is her explaination:

    "Sulphur-containing amino acids in protein-containing foods are
    metabolized to sulfuric acid. Animal foods provide predominantly acid
    precursors. Acidosis stimulates osteoclastic activity and inhibits
    osteoblast activity."

    MEAT EATERS HAVE MORE HIP FRACTURES

    Sellmeyer's remarkable publication reveals:

    "Women with high animal-to-vegetable protein rations were heavier
    and had higher intake of total protein. These women had a significantly
    increased rate of bone loss than those who ate just vegetable protein.
    Women consuming higher rates of animal protein had higher rates of bone
    loss and hip fracture by a factor of four times."

    Milk has been called "liquid meat." The average American eats
    five ounces of animal protein each day in the form of red meat and
    chicken. At the same time, the average American consumes nearly six
    times that amount (29.2 ounces) per day of milk and dairy products.

    How ironic it is that the dairy industry continues to promote the
    cause of bone disease as the cure.

    Deborah Sellmeyer's brilliant work is supported by a grant from
    the National Institutes of Health.

    Dr. Sellmeyer may be reached by EMAIL: dsellmeyer@psg.ucsf.edu

    Original column:

    Human breast milk is Mother Nature's PERFECT FORMULA for baby
    humans. Even dairy industry scientists would not be foolish enough to
    debate this UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED FACT. In her wisdom, Mother Nature
    included 33 milligrams of calcium in every 100 grams, or 3 1/2-ounce
    portion of human breast milk.

    Adults do not drink human breast milk. At the end of this column
    is a list of calcium values in the foods we eat. Each food is compared
    to human breast milk as the standard. You might be surprised to learn
    how many foods naturally contain an abundance of calcium. One must
    wonder why Asians traditionally did not get bone-crippling osteoporosis
    ...that is, until they adopted the "American Diet," a diet of milk and
    dairy products.

    The dairy industry owns the psychological exclusive rights to
    calcium in foods found in super markets. Few food manufacturers would
    dare to compete with the dairy message which infers that no other foods
    contain the calcium contained in milk, and without milk and dairy
    products you're certain to one day end up with bone-crippling
    osteoporosis. Tropicana Orange Juice has been marketing a Fruit-Cal
    orange juice which, according to the Tropicana company, contains a more
    absorbable type of calcium than other calcium supplements. Each cup of
    Tropicana's pure premium calcium contains 350 milligrams of calcium as
    opposed to only 302 in one cup of milk and 172 in one ounce of American
    cheese. Minute Maid also has a Calcium-Orange Juice product and claims
    that it contains fifteen times the amount of calcium as contained in an
    equivalent sample of regular orange juice. Gerber's Baby cereal sells a
    box of single grain barley upon which they write, "An excellent source
    of iron and a good source of calcium." The side panel of their box
    reveals that their cereal contains barley flour and tri and di calcium
    phosphate. Other than orange juice and baby food, no visible claim to
    calcium is made by any food manufacturer. The reason, of course, is that
    milk holds the monopoly. They hold title to and make claim to America's
    calcium perception. Few would dare challenge that claim.

    A tour through a typical American supermarket reveals aisles
    dedicated to specific food groups...There are fresh fruits and
    vegetables in one section and meats and poultry in another. Rice and
    grains are kept separate from beans and canned vegetables. Milk and
    dairy products (which represent America's most sought after foods) are
    usually placed furthest from the market's front door. Junk foods are
    conjointly placed in the same aisle with cookies and potato chips. These
    high calorie/low fiber snacks are stacked within walking distance of
    both artificially sweetened and high sugar sodas.

    Hostess Twinkies contain calcium. Those golden sponge cakes with
    creamy fillings are as much a part of our cuisine as they are a part of
    our national culture. To many, Twinkies represent all that is artificial
    and unhealthy about our collective fast food diet. To others they
    epitomize instant snacks, a quick source of energy and mother's easy-to-
    prepare dessert for her school-age child. When I was in college,
    Twinkies represented one of the four major food groups (along with
    French fries, alcoholic beverages and McDonald's hamburgers.) To read a
    Twinkies ingredient label is to marvel at how far mankind has progressed
    these past twenty-five thousand years, eating fruits and nuts and
    vegetables and grains, and occasional mastodon steaks, to:

    "Enriched wheat flour, (niacin, a "B"
    vitamin), ferrous sulfate (iron), thiamin
    mononitrate (B1), riboflavin (B2), water,
    sugar, corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup,
    partially hydrogenated vegetable and/or animal
    shortening (contains one or more of: canola,
    corn, cottonseed or soybean oil, beef fat),
    eggs, dextrose. Contains 2% or less of:
    modified food starch, whey, leavenings (sodium
    and pyrophosphate, baking soda, monocalcium
    phosphate), salt, starch, yellow corn flour,
    corn syrup solids, emulsifiers mono and
    diglycerides, lecithin, polysorbate 60,
    dextrin, calcium caseinate, sodium stearoyl,
    lactylate, cellulose gum, wheat gluten,
    natural and artificial flavors, caramel color,
    artificial colors (yellow 5, red 40), sorbic
    acid (to retain freshness)."

    The Dairy Industry and milk processors invest hundreds of millions
    of dollars each year to guarantee that Americans will continue to drink
    milk and eat dairy products, investing their money to continually let
    Americans know that milk tastes good and the intake of milk and dairy
    products must be continued to insure good health. Milk mustaches are
    stylish. Drink milk and you're beautiful! Gorgeous models, actors,
    actresses, sports heroes, even President Clinton and Bob Dole have posed
    for milk advertisements. All have asserted by the milky white goo
    artificially applied to their upper lip that drinking milk is healthful
    and wholesome. Who would argue with such an overwhelming endorsement?
    Billboards spanning America ask the question, "Got milk?" Cal Ripken of
    the Baltimore Orioles broke Lou Gehrig's record for consecutive major
    league baseball games played. Ripken, holding a baseball bat, smiles
    from inside the front cover of a "GOT MILK" brochure proclaiming, "With
    all the skim milk I drink, my name might as well be Calcium Ripken, Jr."

    Common knowledge of osteoporosis is based upon false assumptions.
    American women have been drinking an average of two pounds of milk or
    eating the equivalent milk in dairy products per day for their entire
    lives. Doctors recommend calcium intake for increasing and maintaining
    bone strength and bone density which they call bone mass. According to
    this regimen recommended by doctors and milk industry executives,
    women's bone mass would approach that of pre-historic dinosaurs. This
    line of reasoning should be equally extinct. Twenty-five million
    American women have osteoporosis. Drinking milk does not prevent
    osteoporosis. Milk contains calcium. Bones contain calcium too. When we
    are advised to add calcium to our diets we tend to drink milk or eat
    dairy foods.

    In order to absorb calcium, the body needs comparable amounts of
    another mineral element, magnesium. Milk and dairy products contain only
    small amounts of magnesium. Without the presence of magnesium, the body
    only absorbs 25 percent of the available dairy calcium content. The
    remainder of the calcium spells trouble. Without magnesium, excess
    calcium is utilized by the body in injurious ways. The body uses calcium
    to build the mortar on arterial walls which becomes atherosclerotic
    plaques. Excess calcium is converted by the kidneys into painful stones
    which grow in size like pearls in oysters, blocking our urinary tracts.
    Excess calcium contributes to arthritis; painful calcium buildup often
    is manifested as gout. The USDA has formulated a chart of recommended
    daily intakes of vitamins and minerals. The term that FDA uses is
    Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA). The RDA for calcium is 1500 mg. The
    RDA for magnesium is 750 mg.

    Society stresses the importance of calcium, but rarely magnesium.
    Yet, magnesium is vital to enzymatic activity. In addition to insuring
    proper absorption of calcium, magnesium is critical to proper neural and
    muscular function and to maintaining proper pH balance in the body.
    Magnesium, along with vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), helps to dissolve calcium
    phosphate stones which often accumulate from excesses of dairy intake.
    Good sources of magnesium include beans, green leafy vegetables like
    kale and collards, whole grains and orange juice. Non-dairy sources of
    calcium include green leafy vegetables, almonds, asparagus, broccoli,
    cabbage, oats, beans, parsley, sesame seeds and tofu.

    Osteoporosis is NOT a problem that should be associated with lack
    of calcium intake. Osteoporosis results from calcium loss. The massive
    amounts of protein in milk result in a 50 percent loss of calcium in the
    urine. In other words, by doubling your protein intake there will be a
    loss of 1-1.5 percent in skeletal mass per year in postmenopausal women.
    The calcium contained in leafy green vegetables is more easily absorbed
    than the calcium in milk, and plant proteins do not result in calcium
    loss the same way as do animal proteins. If a postmenopausal woman loses
    1-1.5 percent bone mass per year, what will be the effect after 20
    years? When osteoporosis occurs levels of calcium (being excreted from
    the bones)in the blood are high. Milk only adds to these high levels of
    calcium which is excreted or used by the body to add to damaging
    atherosclerosis, gout, kidney stones, etc.

    Bone mass does not increase after age 35. This is a biological
    fact that is not in dispute by scientists. However, this fact is ignored
    by marketing geniuses in the milk industry who make certain that women
    this age and older are targeted consumers for milk and dairy products.
    At least one in four women will suffer from osteoporosis with fractures
    of the ribs, hip or forearm. In 1994, University of Texas researchers
    published results of an experiment indicating that supplemental calcium
    is ineffective in preventing bone loss. Within 5 years of the initial
    onset of menopause, there is an accelerated rate of loss of bone,
    particularly from the spine. During this period of time, estrogen
    replacement is most effective in preventing rapid bone density loss.

    Bone Mass is Genetically Determined

    In December of 1994 a study, published in the American Journal of
    Clinical Nutrition, revealed that skeletal size and bone mass are
    genetically programmed. Optimal skeletal size is achieved through
    adequate calcium intake in an individual's youth. However, excess
    calcium has an effect upon bone mass. Once enough calcium is introduced,
    the excess is either excreted in the urine or absorbed by the kidneys,
    arteries and liver. This excess calcium can cause great damage. The
    decrease in skeletal mass associated with osteoporosis in women is
    primarily caused by the age-dependent decrease in hormonal steroid
    secretion by the ovaries. While optimal calcium intake in childhood and
    adolescence is important for achieving proper bone density, calcium
    intake in adulthood has little significance.

    An overview based upon recent findings regarding the pathogenesis
    of osteoporosis was published in Germany in 1994 and translated into
    English where the abstract appeared on MEDLINE, a computer service
    containing scientific abstracts of research. The premise of this study
    is that osteoporosis is an unavoidable consequence of aging for which no
    prevention was previously possible. However, recent hormonal therapies
    have slowed down the process of rapid bone loss. The lack of estrogen
    and progesterone play an important role in the development of
    osteoporosis.

    Human breast milk contains 33 milligrams of calcium per 100-gram
    portion and potato chips contain 40 milligrams!

    GOTMILK? GOT BONE DISEASE!

    Find your favorite snacks on the following list and substitute them for pus-
    filled, antibiotic laden, allergenic and hormonal MILK.

    Calcium content of foods (per 100-gram portion)
    (100 grams equals around 3.5 ounces)

    1. Human Breast Milk 33 mg (lowest!)
    2. Almonds 234 mg
    3. Amaranth 267 mg
    4. Apricots (dried) 67 mg
    5. Artichokes 51 mg
    6. Beans (can: pinto, black) 135 mg
    7. Beet greens (cooked) 99 mg
    8. Blackeye peas 55 mg
    9. Bran 70 mg
    10. Broccoli (raw) 48 mg
    11. Brussel Sprouts 36 mg
    12. Buckwheat 114 mg
    13. Cabbage (raw) 49 mg
    14. Carrot (raw) 37 mg
    15. Cashew nuts 38 mg
    16. Cauliflower (cooked) 42 mg
    17. Swiss Chard (raw) 88 mg
    18. Chickpeas (garbanzos) 150 mg
    19. Collards (raw leaves) 250 mg
    20. Cress (raw) 81 mg
    21. Dandelion greens 187 mg
    22. Endive 81 mg
    23. Escarole 81 mg
    24. Figs (dried) 126 mg
    25. Filberts (Hazelnuts) 209 mg
    26. Kale (raw leaves) 249 mg
    27. Kale (cooked leaves) 187 mg
    28. Leeks 52 mg
    29. Lettuce (lt. green) 35 mg
    30. Lettuce (dark green) 68 mg
    31. Molasses (dark-213 cal.) 684 mg
    32. Mustard Green (raw) 183 mg
    33. Mustard Green (cooked) 138 mg
    34. Okra (raw or cooked) 92 mg
    35. Olives 61 mg
    36. Orange (Florida) 43 mg
    37. Parsley 203 mg
    38. Peanuts (roasted & salted) 74 mg
    39. Peas (boiled) 56 mg
    40. Pistachio nuts 131 mg
    41. Potato Chips 40 mg
    42. Raisins 62 mg
    43. Rhubarb (cooked) 78 mg
    44. Sauerkraut 36 mg
    45. Sesame Seeds 1160 mg
    46. Squash (Butternut 40 mg
    47. Soybeans 60 mg
    48. Sugar (Brown) 85 mg
    49. Tofu 128 mg
    50. Spinach (raw) 93 mg
    51. Sunflower seeds 120 mg
    52. Sweet Potatoes (baked) 40 mg
    53. Turnips (cooked) 35 mg
    54. Turnip Greens (raw) 246 mg
    55. Turnip Greens (boiled) 184 mg
    56. Water Cress 151 mg
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    Post by Marc™ Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:25 pm

    Lifestyle? I honestly don't know why anybody forsakes meat. Couldn't do it.

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