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+18GrayWolf RiteDiva Marc™ captainbryce TPP CatEyes10736 Nystyle709 RedBedroom Shale Alan Smithee Nhaiyel RobbieFTW MandyPerfumeGirl Tony Marino Supernova Forgiveness Man tmontyb Chris 22 posters | |
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Shale ...is a Chamber Royal.
Join date : 2010-09-27 Location : Miami Beach Posts : 9699 Rep : 219
| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:24 am | |
| - captainbryce wrote:
- ... I for one don't know of any "nude beaches" in the United States. Maybe they exist, but I've never heard of one. ...
There is one here in Miami-Dade County, Florida. It is a county beach, Haulover Park and the 'Clothing Optional' section at the northern third is the most crowded and popular. On good days the north parking lot fills up by 11 am. And there are families with kids there tho not that many. It is legitimate nude beach.
There are other historic nude beaches in America, mostly since the counterculture days in the '70s and not always firmly established, such as Wreck beach in Canada, Blacks Beach in Cali, and Playalinda Beach at Cape Canaveral here in North Florida, (which the local law are abusing a joint jurisdiction with the feds to harass the nude users.) - captainbryce wrote:
- ...The only place I've ever seen nude beaches before were in Spain (and I've heard they exist in other parts of Europe too). That being said, if we were in Europe where the culture embraced nudity and it was not considered taboo,...
Yeah, modern nudism started in Germany in the early 20th Century and nudism is not the big deal that Puritan America makes it. There are lots of designated beaches and even nude sunbathers in the parks in some Dutch cities. Oh, and top free women are everywhere, it is not considered a 'nude' issue. Just a note about anti-nudity, there was a crackdown in Europe for a while by a very moralistic fellow named Adolf Hitler. | |
| | | 2xy …is an Up 'N Comer.
Join date : 2011-03-03 Location : Providence, RI Posts : 289 Rep : 22
| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:58 pm | |
| - Forgiveness Man wrote:
- ^^^^Well, "unsupervised" is likely a bad term; I apologize. It's more like unsupervised by YOU, their parent. Most beaches that have high numbers of people have more than enough lifeguards with proper training to help them out of a dangerous situation. (Now I don't know if you also have that training cause I don't know you. But assuming that a parent doesn't have the training a lifeguard would, they'd be pretty much useless should their child come into a dangerous situation in the ocean, in which case the presence of several trained lifeguards is ample supervision for their safety.)
Would you let a 5yo swim at a beach without a supervising adult, even if there was a lifeguard? Why or why not? FWIW, I would have no issues with allowing my kids to go to a nude beach if they had wanted to. And naked pictures of children, in general, don't bother me. Yes, I know some people do icky things with naked pictures of children. Some people also do icky things with animals, but that doesn't prevent me from owning a cat. | |
| | | Forgiveness Man …is a Chamber Royal.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:43 pm | |
| - 2xy wrote:
- Forgiveness Man wrote:
- ^^^^Well, "unsupervised" is likely a bad term; I apologize. It's more like unsupervised by YOU, their parent. Most beaches that have high numbers of people have more than enough lifeguards with proper training to help them out of a dangerous situation. (Now I don't know if you also have that training cause I don't know you. But assuming that a parent doesn't have the training a lifeguard would, they'd be pretty much useless should their child come into a dangerous situation in the ocean, in which case the presence of several trained lifeguards is ample supervision for their safety.)
Would you let a 5yo swim at a beach without a supervising adult, even if there was a lifeguard? Why or why not?
FWIW, I would have no issues with allowing my kids to go to a nude beach if they had wanted to. And naked pictures of children, in general, don't bother me. Yes, I know some people do icky things with naked pictures of children. Some people also do icky things with animals, but that doesn't prevent me from owning a cat. I wouldn't, but I wouldn't let them go to the mall alone either. (The "different levels of supervision" thing wouldn't apply to me. It ALL requires my supervision.) I'd be the parent who wouldn't let their kid go places alone, so I'd be excluded from my own question. You said you'd let them go to the mall alone, but not to a beach because it'd require supervision. Yet should they encounter an emergency in the ocean, you'd likely be useless unless you have training for such a situation. (Which you may have, as I said, I don't know you.) Thus your "supervision" really is kind of just for personal reasons rather than a necessity for safety. But no, I wouldn't let my 5 yo outta the house without supervision, so again, I'd be one of the parents that wouldn't let them go anywhere without supervision, thus I'd be excluded from my own question. So you'd let them appear nude in pictures? Good to know. I give you kudos for consistency. | |
| | | Tony Marino …is a Global Moderator.
Join date : 2010-01-31 Location : New York Posts : 26786 Rep : 607
| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:44 pm | |
| - Forgiveness Man wrote:
- 2xy wrote:
Would you let a 5yo swim at a beach without a supervising adult, even if there was a lifeguard? Why or why not?
FWIW, I would have no issues with allowing my kids to go to a nude beach if they had wanted to. And naked pictures of children, in general, don't bother me. Yes, I know some people do icky things with naked pictures of children. Some people also do icky things with animals, but that doesn't prevent me from owning a cat. I wouldn't, but I wouldn't let them go to the mall alone either. (The "different levels of supervision" thing wouldn't apply to me. It ALL requires my supervision.) I'd be the parent who wouldn't let their kid go places alone, so I'd be excluded from my own question. You said you'd let them go to the mall alone, but not to a beach because it'd require supervision. Yet should they encounter an emergency in the ocean, you'd likely be useless unless you have training for such a situation. (Which you may have, as I said, I don't know you.) Thus your "supervision" really is kind of just for personal reasons rather than a necessity for safety. But no, I wouldn't let my 5 yo outta the house without supervision, so again, I'd be one of the parents that wouldn't let them go anywhere without supervision, thus I'd be excluded from my own question.
So you'd let them appear nude in pictures? Good to know. I give you kudos for consistency. LOL!! | |
| | | Forgiveness Man …is a Chamber Royal.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:46 pm | |
| ^^^^^And what do you think is so funny? | |
| | | Tony Marino …is a Global Moderator.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:48 pm | |
| - Forgiveness Man wrote:
- ^^^^^And what do you think is so funny?
I don't know, the last line sounds funny to me the way it is written, I am not sure if its serious or not but I did NOT read everything in the responses so I could be wrong. | |
| | | Forgiveness Man …is a Chamber Royal.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:50 pm | |
| ^^^^^Oh! Yeah, it was kinda meant to be a bit serious and a bit comical! To add to my comments to 2xy, I'll borrow some words from thepossiblepolice. In a perfect world, I'd definitely agree. I would. | |
| | | Tony Marino …is a Global Moderator.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:51 pm | |
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| | | Forgiveness Man …is a Chamber Royal.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:53 pm | |
| ^^^^^Nah, you are fine commenting like that. We need you to break the ice! | |
| | | 2xy …is an Up 'N Comer.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:41 pm | |
| - Forgiveness Man wrote:
- I wouldn't, but I wouldn't let them go to the mall alone either. (The "different levels of supervision" thing wouldn't apply to me. It ALL requires my supervision.) I'd be the parent who wouldn't let their kid go places alone, so I'd be excluded from my own question. You said you'd let them go to the mall alone, but not to a beach because it'd require supervision. Yet should they encounter an emergency in the ocean, you'd likely be useless unless you have training for such a situation. (Which you may have, as I said, I don't know you.) Thus your "supervision" really is kind of just for personal reasons rather than a necessity for safety. But no, I wouldn't let my 5 yo outta the house without supervision, so again, I'd be one of the parents that wouldn't let them go anywhere without supervision, thus I'd be excluded from my own question.
I did not say I would let a 5yo go to the mall alone. You are mixing posts together in order to build a false case with which to argue against. You said that parents are unnecessary at beaches because lifeguards are there to supervise. If that's the case, then why wouldn't you allow a 5yo to go to the beach alone? I was an EMT at one time, and in the Navy, so I do have certain skills regarding water rescue, but that is beside the point. A parent or supervising adult, IMO, should be with children near bodies of water in order to prevent emergency situations from occurring. Lifeguards are not babysitters. | |
| | | captainbryce …is a Power Member.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:34 pm | |
| - Forgiveness Man wrote:
- So you'd LET them go if they wanted to, what about appearing in pictures nude? If they wanted to do that, would that be okay? (Again, I understand that they probably wouldn't WANT to do it. It's a hypothetical about what you'd allow so what they WANT in REALITY, isn't really relevant to the question.) There's nothing wrong with it. So it must be all good!
It depends on A) why they are doing it and B) whether or not the pictures were "pornographic". If they wanted to take nude pictures just for the sake of taking nude pictures, then the answer is no, I wouldn't allow it. If they were like "posing" in the pictures or the pictures were "graphic" in terms of what it was focusing on, then I would consider that pornography. HOWEVER, if they just happened to be nude in a natural setting (pool, beach, etc) and someone just decided to take some random and innocent pictures, then I probably wouldn't have a problem with it. You can tell when pictures are meant to be exploitative and when they are innocent. | |
| | | Alan Smithee ...is a 20G Chamber DIETY.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:19 am | |
| Sorry, folks. This horse died a while ago. | |
| | | Forgiveness Man …is a Chamber Royal.
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:04 am | |
| @ Captain: (You know if you chatted with me as quickly as you debate, you could've discovered so many more interesting things about who I really am than you have in my mock debate mask. ) Of course there's a distinction for pornography. I fully understand. And I agree; you CAN tell. Although I'll refrain from my comment for the sake of keeping the peace! - 2xy wrote:
- I did not say I would let a 5yo go to the mall alone. You are mixing posts together in order to build a false case with which to argue against. You said that parents are unnecessary at beaches because lifeguards are there to supervise. If that's the case, then why wouldn't you allow a 5yo to go to the beach alone?
I was an EMT at one time, and in the Navy, so I do have certain skills regarding water rescue, but that is beside the point. A parent or supervising adult, IMO, should be with children near bodies of water in order to prevent emergency situations from occurring. Lifeguards are not babysitters. Not at all. I am merely showing you what your claims mean. I wouldn't let a 5yo go ANYWHERE alone! Water or not. So your question just kinda falls right there. And I never said parents were UNNECESSARY. Just that with trained rescuers there, there'd be little difference between the beach and any other public place. I feel parents are necessary at all of them. Well, as I said, I don't know your history. Lifeguards aren't babysitters, but that too is beside the point. You did dodge the main thrust of my question, so I'll revise. Say NOBODY was allowed in the water due to ripcurrents these days, and people are just going to the beach for camping on the sand. Would you then permit them to go to a nude beach without you? | |
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| Subject: Re: Kids at nude beaches Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:47 pm | |
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