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    Post by tmontyb Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:41 am


    IMO, people who need to test the waters before marriage are dooming
    themselves. If you truly love and commit to each other, you'd make the
    sex work.

    Hmmm, I wish the world worked as easily as you make it sound FM, but fact of the matter it doesn't. Been there, done that and it's not reality. Just talking from actual experience.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:14 am

    tmontyb wrote:
    Hmmm, I wish the world worked as easily as you make it sound FM, but fact of the matter it doesn't. Been there, done that and it's not reality. Just talking from actual experience.
    I don't claim the world works easily. I just apply common sense and common sense frowns upon the ridiculous notion that you have to have pre-marital sex to make a marriage work. Sorry, but "experience" here seems to me more like a bias. If a marriage falls apart, it is nothing boinking the person before marriage would've prevented. I think people blame bad sex on a bigger problem that they just cannot admit exists.

    The 'compatible' argument is a crap excuse to get laid now. Few people save themselves and the divorce rate is through the roof. Clearly testing the waters doesn't work. Heck, I'd argue it hurts the marriage cause it weakens the marriage foundation. Marriage needs to be based on things besides sex or it just won't work.

    People are too sex crazed. God forbid you die a virgin or having had only one sexual partner. lol It's almost laughable how much a slave the world is to the almighty orgasm. Yeah, I'm sure you'll call me naive, but absolutes aren't things that you learn with age. Yes, some things you learn, but some things you just become better at denying as you develop a bias.
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    Post by tmontyb Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:25 am

    ^^^^^^I never said you need you needed pre-martial sex to make marriage work at all. Where did I say that? I gave a what if.......

    I clearly stated that I think people should sow their oats before getting married. I'm not going to change how I feel about it.

    Just saying I find it interesting that someone who has NEVER been through any of it acts as if they know it all. Again, just saying.....
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:31 am

    tmontyb wrote:^^^^^^I never said you need you needed pre-martial sex to make marriage work at all. Where did I say that? I gave a what if.......

    I clearly stated that I think people should sow their oats before getting married. I'm not going to change how I feel about it.

    Just saying I find it interesting that someone who has NEVER been through any of it acts as if they know it all. Again, just saying.....
    You clearly suggested it. Razz

    It's not about me knowing it all as much as there is absolutes that experience doesn't change. IMO, it's like saying that you have to do drugs in order to say that you can't do it. I don't do drugs, but does that mean I can't be against doing them? One could say that somebody who has never done drugs can't act like they "know it all." The same can be said for smoking and excessive alcohol consumption. So yeah, find it interesting all you want. Absolutes are not determined by experience. Sometimes those watching the game instead of participating see the picture a little clearer.
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    Post by tmontyb Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:29 pm

    ^^^^^^^That's the thing, I didn't suggest anything, I stated an opinion.

    Sometimes those watching the game instead of participating see the picture a little clearer.

    Drugs and marriage are apple and oranges. They are nowhere in the same scheme of things.

    As far as people watching and learning, of course that works in some instances, not in this one.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:39 pm

    ^^^^*sighs An opinion which made a statement. lol Gotta love using technicalities to do a dance. Wink

    I never said they were the same. I was merely refuting your idea that only those with experience have the right to speak to an issue. If what you said was true, it would apply to everything else as well. Absolutes are absolutes, and what a good marriage should be built on(aka, not 'testing the waters') is an absolute.

    I'd say it works especially in this one. Absolutes again, are not changed by experience, only less visible behind the bias of bad choices that people cannot admit. People always say "you'll change when you get older" but absolutes don't change and never will.
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    Post by tmontyb Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:57 pm

    ^^^^*sighs An opinion which made a statement. lol Gotta love using technicalities to do a dance. Wink

    Non-sequitur. You're changing the context of my response.

    I was merely refuting your idea that only those with experience have the
    right to speak to an issue. If what you said was true, it would apply
    to everything else as well. Absolutes are absolutes, and what a good
    marriage should be built on(aka, not 'testing the waters') is an
    absolute.

    Again, changing the context and meaning of my response.

    Alright, I said what I had to say on the subject.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:40 pm

    tmontyb wrote:

    Non-sequitur. You're changing the context of my response.



    Again, changing the context and meaning of my response.

    Alright, I said what I had to say on the subject.

    No, I'm wondering why you felt the need to continually clarify something that doesn't change anything. Wink

    Not the context, just the application. Wink
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    Post by RobbieFTW Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:01 pm

    Forgiveness_Man wrote:^^^^Morals are absolute, not personal.

    Completely untrue. Morals are individual.

    If pre-marital sex is only immoral if you chose it to be, then the same can be said for physically harming another person. If a man likes to beat his wife, it's not moral cause he thinks it's his right(and that she deserves it).

    Are you kidding? How does inflicting abuse on someone parallel morally with the decision to have/not have pre-marital sex? If a man likes to beats his wife, that's ILLEGAL and all there is to it. Morality is out the window at that point. Apples and oranges.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:14 pm

    RobbieFTW wrote:Completely untrue. Morals are individual.

    Are you kidding? How does inflicting abuse on someone parallel morally with the decision to have/not have pre-marital sex? If a man likes to beats his wife, that's ILLEGAL and all there is to it. Morality is out the window at that point. Apples and oranges.

    Completely true. If there are no moral absolutes, than literally ANYTHING goes and anybody can do anything. Of course, morals being completely individual are also kind of self-contradictory as well.

    So if something is legalized, than it is okay to do automatically? The morality of a decision is not contingent on whether or not the law prohibits it. And anything dealing with a choice parallels anything else dealing with a choice. Pre-maritial sex may not have the lasting physical effects of abuse but it is largely all related in terms of it's relation to truth and natural law. Call it apples and oranges if you want, but always remember that both apples and oranges are fruits. Hence, there can be valid comparisons made between the two. Wink
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    Post by Nhaiyel Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:52 pm

    And just who is it that sets morality in stone, and decides what's right and wrong for all people? The answer is no one, because properties of morality are ideals that people choose to buy into…or not.

    Morals are not absolute.

    In the meantime, premarital sex is fine, so long as the parties involve are consenting, and no one is being hurt or deceived in the process.
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    Post by Impact Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:06 pm

    I get a kick out of FM. So tell me guy, is masturbation wrong too?
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:11 pm

    Nhaiyel wrote:
    Morals are not absolute.

    In the meantime, premarital sex is fine, so long as the parties involve are consenting, and no one is being hurt or deceived in the process.
    Your post is remarkably self-contradictory. Wink I guess even people who believe morals aren't absolute don't really believe that either. Wink

    If they aren't absolute, than anything goes. As for who sets these morals up, nobody has to. That's what makes them absolute, they don't need to be set by people. The idea that there are no moral absolutes is just naive. It's always "fine" to do something if you want to do it, isn't it?

    Of course, I'd argue anybody who engages in pre-marital sex IS deceiving, themselves. But then again, why is it wrong to hurt or deceive somebody since morals are not absolute? If there are no moral absolutes, hurting somebody via pre-marital sex is A OK.

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    Post by Nystyle709 Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:40 pm

    Forgiveness_Man wrote:Does somebody need a lesson on the English language? I said I am not the most social of people. That doesn't mean I never socialize or even that I don't get my fair share of socialization. So maybe you're the one who needs to stop. Wink

    You said that you're weren't very social. Then you said that you socialize quite a bit. That's called a contridiction sweetie. Does somebody need to revisit the 4th grade? That is....if you actually did go to school. You may socialize, but you don't do it often, which is why you have all these bogus ideas about people. That's what I was getting at.
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    Post by Kral Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:48 pm

    So where does the line draw even in marriage? Is it moral to have sex for purposes other than procreation? Are married couples supposed to keep the lights off? Should the woman keep her bra's on?

    laughing

    So silly. If some people prefer to wait until marriage, then that is their decision and it should be respected...but there is nothing wrong with any two consenting adults (married or not) having sex under ANY circumstance, so long as there is honesty and caution put into it.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:51 pm

    Impact wrote:I get a kick out of FM. So tell me guy, is masturbation wrong too?

    Ya know? He's a trip. And prob. never been any damn where.
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    Post by Nystyle709 Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:54 pm

    Kral wrote:So where does the line draw even in marriage? Is it moral to have sex for purposes other than procreation? Are married couples supposed to keep the lights off? Should the woman keep her bra's on?

    laughing

    So silly. If some people prefer to wait until marriage, then that is their decision and it should be respected...but there is nothing wrong with any two consenting adults (married or not) having sex under ANY circumstance, so long as there is honesty and caution put into it.

    co-signs . How is having sex hurting someone else if you're not a participant in the act? What...is it killing you (literally) because I'm having sex in MY bedroom? Is it harming you? Is me having an orgasm going to cause you're fucking house to fall down on top of you or some shit? Craziness.
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    Post by tmontyb Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:50 pm

    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    I'm co-signing too. I mean just look at some the responses. Full of non-sequitur, pseudo-intellectual babble. It's quite mind-boggling. If one doesn't believe in pre-martial sex fine, just say so and let it be. Why try to rationalize it into something that goes way beyond the realm the subject?
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:25 pm

    Nystyle709 wrote:Ya know? He's a trip. And prob. never been any damn where.
    Well I get plenty a kick out of you and your attempts at making points too. And I don't have to probably think about where you've been. Razz Some places aren't worth having been to. Wink

    And sorry tmonty, my posts aren't the ones babbling. Wink
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    Post by tmontyb Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:19 pm

    Forgiveness_Man wrote:Well I get plenty a kick out of you and your attempts at making points too. And I don't have to probably think about where you've been. Razz Some places aren't worth having been to. Wink

    And sorry tmonty, my posts aren't the ones babbling. Wink

    If that what you believe then so be it. twisted
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:24 pm

    tmontyb wrote:If that what you believe then so be it. twisted
    Awwww, you typed my response for me. *is deeply touched bear hug
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    Post by FightSleep Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:52 am

    It's natural to have sex, it's not natural to wait until or confine it to marriage. Just be safe.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:56 am

    FightSleep wrote:It's natural to have sex, it's not natural to wait until or confine it to marriage. Just be safe.
    Actually, it's just the opposite. Razz It's more natural to being a human to wait. Wink
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    Post by Nystyle709 Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:34 pm

    Forgiveness_Man wrote:Well I get plenty a kick out of you and your attempts at making points too.

    Well, at least I DO make them. You tend not too. Your tired rationale has been ripped apart to death constantly by me and the other people on here and quite frankly, nobody in this forum (other that your crony) agrees with you. We have sensible people posting here.

    And I don't have to probably think about where you've been. Razz Some places aren't worth having been to. Wink

    Oh really? Yeah, well you stay in the little confines of your home and don't get out to see the world. Me, I'll do the exact opposite.

    And sorry tmonty, my posts aren't the ones babbling. Wink

    LMAO! . I've seen less babbling from a six month old.
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    Post by Forgiveness Man Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:14 pm

    Nystyle709 wrote:Cut for space!

    You don't make points, just petty insults. Razz

    I've seen the world and I'll continue to see more of it thank you very much. Razz

    And yet I still got nothing on you in terms of babbling. Razz

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